Shen Men Tao

[Alberto]

Dear Sifu Anthony :

i was searching the Vbulletin web site and found this :

Private Message Statistics
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You were right. Administrators in Vbulletin can not see inside private messages. Please accept my apologies.


With Shaolin salute

[Sifu Stier]

Yielding and reflecting!

Sifu Stier

[Emiko H]

Dear Chud,

Do the hosts of these other kungfu forums tolerate guests who call them "arse kissers"?

Respectfully,

Emiko

[chud]

Dear Chud,

Do the hosts of these other kungfu forums tolerate guests who call them "arse kissers"?

Respectfully,

Emiko

Hello Emiko, thank you for your post. I hate to pull this thread off topic again, however I do think that your question is a fair one. I would have to say yes, I have seen very spirited discussions (putting it lightly) on many other martial arts forums, many much worse than anything here, that manage to stay alive and continue.
I apologize again for being off-topic. From now on I will put these kinds of posts in the current thread under 'Miscellaneous Discussions' here: http://wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4437
and leave this thread for discussion of Shen Men Tao.

In closing I will leave you with a link to a good article: http://wired.com/news/technology/0,7...?tw=wn_index_2

With respect,

[Emiko H]

Dear Chud,

Your link to that article on "flaming" and how people misinterpret words and overreact is an excellent one.

Perhaps Sifu Stier would care to read this article and then he will see that he over-reacted to that post by Sifu Santer as a response to Sifu Stier's post on "yielding".

I doubt that Sifu Stier's statement of "kiss one another's arses" could be interpreted as any thing other than rude and insulting.

Finally, if what you say is true, that other kungfu forums allow for worse language and conduct than what has been demonstrated in Sifu Stier's posts, then this is sad confirmation of the reality of how the concept of "wude" (martial arts moral character) has been degraded over time.

This, however, does not give any one the right to come here on the Shaolin Wahnam forum and conduct themselves in such an ill-fitting manner.

If Sifu Stier wishes this thread to go back on topic, and no doubt, all of us would wish it so, then he would do well to verbally acknowledge his careless and rude use of language in the post directed at Sifu Santer and Joko (and thereby indirectly addressed to Grandmaster Wong himself).

Thank you for your clarification, Chud.

Best wishes,

Emiko

[joko]

Who started this thread?

It is started by Sifu Jeffrey Segal, NOT by SifuStier, so SifuStier cannot say that it is his thread.

Emiko-san Sijie, glad to see you again. I have been missing your lovely posts.

By the way, even if I can tolerate being insulted by someone. certainly I CANNOT tolerate if Sifu is insulted instead.

It is true I am only a novice student of Sifu, but in my opinion, while perhaps for now I cannot be compared in the combat aspect of martial art, in some other aspects I have achieved much higher level than that of a Grandmaster like SifuStier.
Give me some time to practice the combat aspect, then I will pass him as well.

Thank you, Emiko-san Sijie, for pointing out the point.

Joko

[Alberto]

Dear Joko :


With posts like yours the quoted statement turns out to be real.

Dear Chud,

I doubt that Sifu Stier's statement of "kiss one another's arses" could be interpreted as any thing other than rude and insulting.

With Shaolin salute

[Emiko H]

Dear Alberto,

Lovely to hear from you. I have enjoyed reading your posts on other threads, and am delighted to make your acquaintance (albeit this is via internet).

May I ask what your point in highlighting this is, please? Could you please explain a bit further?

Thank you. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes,

Emiko

[Sifu Stier]

Quietly Yielding and Smiling From My Heart!

Sifu Stier

[Ray]

It is true I am only a novice student of Sifu, but in my opinion, while perhaps for now I cannot be compared in the combat aspect of martial art, in some other aspects I have achieved much higher level than that of a Grandmaster like SifuStier.
Give me some time to practice the combat aspect, then I will pass him as well.

Dear Sifu Emiko and friends,

I believe that it is this statement that Alberto found insulting. Perhaps Alberto feels that Joko's statement is very arrogant and therefore rude because he is implying that he is spiritually superior to Sifu Stier and has the potential to surpass him in the future. If I am incorrect Alberto, please feel free to correct me.
I have been a bit conflicted regarding the direction this thread has been heading due to the fact that I respect the Shaolin Wahnam family and Sifu Stier both.
However I do wish to point out that by implying that Sifu Marcus is an "arse kisser" is insulting and I understand why such a firm stance is taken.
I hold Sifu Stier in a very high respect because of the kindness and advice he has given to me but wrong is wrong and right is right. I learned from my own personal experience how you still need to voice your opinions even if it may antagonize the other party. I hope that Sifu Stier will be able to treat Sifu Marcus and others from now on with the same respect he shows Sifu Anthony and Sifu Wong.

Best,

Ray Chang

[Alberto]

Dear Emiko :


With all due respect you and Joko are both Shaolin Wahnam´s members and is clear for me that Joko in his message is kissing your a**. Isn´t this the kind of behavior criticized by Sifu Stier.

Dear participants:

Yes, Sifu Jeffrey started this thread but as a man who throw meat to the wolfs and orders them to attack. Isn´t this to gang up on someone who thinks different. Isn´t this a lack of respect for other person opinions?


With Shaolin salute

[Ray]

Dear Alberto,
I found your post quite disrespectful and insulting. I do not believe Joko was trying to win favor from Sifu Emiko in anyway nor do I believe that Sifu Jeffrey ever intended on "ganging up" on Sifu Stier by opening this thread.
Alberto, I do not feel you are helping the situation by trying to villanize the instructors and students of this forum. I don't understand what you are trying to do with these posts. They don't seem to bring anyone to a better understanding but rather seem to serve to make people angrier.

Best,

Ray Chang

[Emiko H]

Alberto,

Your response to my welcome and question is interesting. Though I greeted you with openness, you chose to ignore my "outstretched hand" and offered a fist instead.

It is basic etiquette to return the greeting when one has been made. I could take offence, but rather, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was your passionate views that caused you to act so rudely, rather than a conscious desire to insult someone whom you've never interacted with before.

If you wish readers to take your opinions into consideration, then it would be wise to present your views not only in a logical manner, but also a respectful one.

Up until this last post you addressed to me, I had been enjoying reading your views. Directing your anger at me will accomplish nothing.

Today, I have met your fist with a Single Tiger. Next time, I will not hesitate to enforce a proper greeting.

Come back when you are a little cooler and I will look forward to reading what you have to say.

Best wishes,

Emiko

[Emiko H]

Dear Sifu Stier,

I find it fascinating that you would dishonour the objects in these photos by using them as an escape to absolve you of the negativity that you instigated.

Respectfully,

Emiko

[joko]

Dear Emiko-san Sijie,

As soon as I posted my previous post here, I regret it, of my unnesessary comment.

Dear SifuStier,

Please accept my apology for my disrespectful comment of your ability in my last post here. I humbly admit that I had learned from your other posts in the forum.
To others who practice martial arts and might get offended, I did not mean it.

After all, I am still human, who sometimes makes terrible mistakes.

This should be my valuable lesson.

Sifu, please accept my respect and apology if I Sifu were dissappointed of your loving student.

Sincerely from my heart,

Joko