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If not, you need to release the pressure where you are, but if the Tiger claw grip at your wrist is too strong, you may not be able to twist your arm away. In that case, you will need to follow the force directed at your elbow, and sink the elbow. One effective way is to relax the shoulder - it is kind of hard to explain this in writing, but it is actually a full body movement. What i like about this method is that you end up with one arm taming his two hands for a moment. The difficulty of course is that you have to be very fast. Someone applying the Break Flank technique is likely to have broken your elbow before you can even react.
Hey Alex,
Here is a way to look at techniques. I call the 100% rule if a technique has been applied at 100% efficieny then at that moment it has no counter
Take for example Tiger breaks flanks
If that was applied at 100% efficiency then the arm would be broken.
0% is before the technique has been applied
1% the technique has started to be applied.
So you can actually break down the different stages of the technique in lots of different scenarios.
This really helps you analyse what is going on.
So lets say for the time being that the intiator has grabbed you. That is 1-10% then we go down the different stages
say 11-20 is when he starts to tighten his grip and starts to control and manipulate you.
21-40 is when he has a solid grip and has full control of your arm and he has started to move his feet and his other arm to "break" the flank.
Ok so you get the idea.
The safest point to "defend" against this technique is probably at the 0-40 percent.Then you could safely apply all the techniques that has been suggested.
Like anything dont get to dualist in the approach.......there are many factors to take into account such as size(andrew) Flexibile monkey arms(darryl)
Skill, speed handsomeness(me)
If you're tall, will that not make it harder to sink down and bend your elbow in time?
Unless you're so tall that your opponent cannot reach your elbow with his
It's fascinating to see that this is in fact a merciful pattern, instead of delivering a most likely fatal attack to the throat or face, breaking the arm with an elbow strike is chosen.
How about a happy bird to the exposed side of the gripper, if you're ridiculously fast such a direct counter might prevent the elbow strike from connecting. Still does nothing about that tiger claw to your wrist though. This is a very impressive pattern.
I think a modified 'Great Sage Looks At Way' can work, though it may depend slightly on the angle of the opponent's stance.
I can't test from here, but this is what's going on in my mind:
1.As the opponent tightens their grip on your right arm, you can roll the arm clockwise and reverse the grip. At the same time you pull their gripping arm across their body. This way you are using 1 arm to control two as the opponents gripping arm will cover their striking arm.
2.As you are performing step 1 you shift your weight onto your left leg and use your right leg to either slip behind their rear leg while you pull the opponent's arm (using it as a fell), or if this is difficult, to kick( either with naughty monkey, yellow oriole or a knee depending on the spacing ).
3. Whilst performing the previous two steps also swing your left arm round to either provide extra cover or strike the eyes/face/throat of the opponent with your fingers.
hmm clear as mud?
Edit : Actually in step 2 if you are unable to lock the back leg you still use it as a fell if you were to sweep the opponent's front leg, or kick the front knee hard at the same time as pulling their gripping arm.
Last edited by Nick Jones; 5 May 2010, 02:13 PM.
Reason: appending post with new idea
"The counter against the deadly qin-na technique is “Shooting Shoulder”. Subtle body movement and good footwork are necessary to apply this counter effectively" -- Sifu
I'm currently working on those sequences, so I'm really enjoying this thread. The page in your link unfortunately links to sequence 18, not sequence 20.
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