Does This Person Have Chi Power?

[jasonr]

So first off I am a total newbie to all this. I have recently become interested in Martial Arts and also been reading lots about Chi Kung. I live in a small town in Canada and I have never been able to learn as the have been no schools anywhere near me.

A few months ago I met a guy who moved to our town last year who says he was trained by a Taoist monk in China. You can understand why I might be a little sceptical. He has shown me some of his 'skills' and he is very strong. He also claims to have 'Chi' and said that he has no interest in starting a class but will teach me for free! I am very happy about this but I still wanted to check out what experienced people have to say.

I asked him if he would make a video and he did and said it was ok if I put it on YT. I have no idea how to recognize if he has 'Chi' or if what he is doing is actually some type of Kung Fu so any comments would be appreciated!! I did ask him what style it was and he just said it is not really a family style (whatever that means!). Does anyone know what this style is? Here is the video...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqb_ahMJYM

Even if he is not a 'master' it all there is around here and it is nice of him to teach me for free!!

Thanks,

J

[Andrew]

Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately, from where I am, I cannot view video material so my comments are based purely on your post. Please consider that when reading response.

He has shown me some of his 'skills' and he is very strong.

I would be interested to hear what these "skills" you mention are. Strength, in terms of physical strength, is no measure of skill.

He also claims to have 'Chi'

So does every living thing

Even if he is not a 'master' it all there is around here and it is nice of him to teach me for free!!

If he is genuine then yes, it is nice of him. However, if he is not (which I cannot judge from here), then he is being nice to himself only. He would, in this case, be hindering you from finding what you are truly seeking.

[Darryl]

Dear J,

As this is the Shaolin Wahnam Forum, it should come as no surprise that I would suggest you contact one of our Canadian instructors regarding classes. Several of them visit this Forum on a regular basis and their contact details can be found here.

As Andrew has already noted, it is natural to be both delighted and cautious about this offer. I would have one question for him, or for you.

Does he have his Sifu's permission to teach?

[Omar]

Hello,

I have another, less important question.

Nothing against Metallica, but why add music on top of the demonstration?
This way one cannot hear the practitioners breathing, or lack of.

[Andrea]

This article written by Sigung (Sifu Wong) might also be helpful to have some guidelines in your choice:

QUALITIES OF A GOOD MASTER

http://www.shaolin.org/general/qualities.html

Regards
Andrea

[Benedikt]

I liked the Metallica song

[JIMMI555]

So first off I am a total newbie to all this. I have recently become interested in Martial Arts and also been reading lots about Chi Kung. I live in a small town in Canada and I have never been able to learn as the have been no schools anywhere near me.

A few months ago I met a guy who moved to our town last year who says he was trained by a Taoist monk in China. You can understand why I might be a little sceptical. He has shown me some of his 'skills' and he is very strong. He also claims to have 'Chi' and said that he has no interest in starting a class but will teach me for free! I am very happy about this but I still wanted to check out what experienced people have to say.

I asked him if he would make a video and he did and said it was ok if I put it on YT. I have no idea how to recognize if he has 'Chi' or if what he is doing is actually some type of Kung Fu so any comments would be appreciated!! I did ask him what style it was and he just said it is not really a family style (whatever that means!). Does anyone know what this style is? Here is the video...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqb_ahMJYM

Even if he is not a 'master' it all there is around here and it is nice of him to teach me for free!!

Thanks,

J

Ok first let me say this, i just looked at the video, this guy is doing some kind of form, im not sure if its any style or just his own made up dance, one thing is for sure, this is no kind of Chi Kung exersize, what ever he is doing is just a hard slyle form, with no chi kung involved in it at all, chi kung exersizes are done very slowly with extream consertration, not fast like doing a form, i would be very suspect of him if his telling you this is to bild internal power is he states in his video, thats garbage his not real, sorry for being so critical but you should be warned and there is no shame exposing a fraud, kind regards hope you find a real master to teach you

[Andrew]

chi kung exersizes are done very slowly with extream consertration, not fast like doing a form,

This is not true. It may be the norm and may be most common, but it is not true as a global statement.

[jasonr]

Ok thanks for the replies. I have deleted the video. I had no idea what I was dealing with. It is not Chi Kung at all, it is more like some kind of shamanic magic stuff. The form in that video was not a set routine at all it was completely spontaneous. Like being controlled by something. I know this as it happens to me know. It is Mao Shan Demon Fighting from the Shang Ching sect.

Please delete this thread and my account.

Thanks everyone for the help

[JIMMI555]

Andrew i would like to see what you know

Andrew i have stydied martial arts from sevral Masteres for over 30 years now, bouth hard and soft styles, many forms of nei gung, and chi bulding exersizes, they are aways done slowly, if you just looked at that video you would clearly see that this was not internal in any way, it was not even a real form of any kind, you make some statments that dont have any grownds to stand on, Grand Master JHON CHUNG LI, was the greatest master of internal martial arts i have ever met in over 30 years , and i have met so many of them its hard to remember there names now, in all internal styles slow is the path to the truth , not fast ANDREW
AND THATS NOT ONLY INTERNATIONALY BUT UNIVERSAL
Andrew let me know when you need another lesson lol
kind regards
james

[Kingmonkey]

Ooops, here we go again

[Wu Jing]

Jimmi555

JIMMI555,


I am in no way affiliated with Wahnam actually we have disagreed a few times but in this case Andrew is 100% right.

What makes any move internal is it being relaxed, good form, moving slow, or your pattern of breath?

The answer is no even baseplayers have good form relaxed explosive movements and they exhale when they release force. So are they internal practitioners? no they are not. What about chen style tai chi there some sequences in the forms which are fast and explosive and what then of shaolin forms some of their forms are fast and explosive are are not internal only because they are moving fast?

That is not true. Here is the truth there a lot of people in the Chinese martial art community that believe that being soft, relaxed, and having good form is being an internal art that is not true to be a real internal practitioner takes a lot more work than that.

What makes an art internal is what the mind does with the chi. Being internal means knowing how to recharge and heal your system with chi. How to culitvate it how to circulate it and how to project it.

Please hear me there is no internal anything if the yi is not internal. The way my yi controls my chi when i move decides if any move that i do is internal or not. Not the the other way around.

To me the video looks like the man is just giving an exhibit of his skills. He did not say he was demonstrating his chi kung, or his internal force. So it is kinda unfair to judge his chi flow off what was seen.

And ease up on Andrew despite our issues he is actually a good guy they all are.

[JIMMI555]

you are only in part right

i have studied both hard and soft styles for over 35 years now from so many masters that i cant even name half of them by now, i know what its like to train in chi kung, nei gung, or any other name you like to give it, to bottom line is this, if you want to develop the deepest most poweful chi that will sink to the marow of the bones and become ging, you have to use slow movements with strong mind intent, i had grand master LI teaching me for over 10 years and i never met any one alive that had more powerful ging then him , he was so deeply rooted that no one could push him over , men that were many times his size and waite tryed and never could even budge him from his stance, if he only touched you for a split secone you were sent flying across the room and this was the rooted students, he would hold on to the others just so they can feel his energy with out getting hurt, internal arts is 100 persent mind intent , but its about the continues circular mooves that alow the chi to keep flowing freely ,the circulation must be kept going so that heet will be created and the chi will sink to the marow of the bones, if one wants to be fast he must first be slow, if one wants to gain , one must learn to lose first, the more you lose the more you will gain, that is the principles of internal arts of any kind, if you follow these rules you are internal if you dont follow these rules you are external style, have you evern read the tai chi clasics, ?? they show clearly what is and what is not internal
and one more thing im not here to get on AndrUes back, he seems to be just posting to get a argument , im not here for that ANDRUEW and others like you should ask there master before posting some thing rediculos, just so you dont look stupid, let me ask you this, how may teachers have you had , for how many years have you studied, how many real masters were your teacher, and when you practised how many hours did you put in day ,every day of the week, im not some one that went for lesons, kung fu was my way of life i studied 6 hours a day 7 days a week
for 35 years , i have had my own school and have had over 20,000 sparing maches in my life, im not some one that just has a opinion

[Wu Jing]

Jimmi555

JIMMI555,

First let me say Buddha be praised heaven bless all sentient beings who spend their lives on this planet trying to ascend their soul experience.

Now to the issue at hand JIMMI555 i agree with what you said in your last post about internal power and circular movements.

JIMMI555 no one here is questioning your credentials and please act with more respect when on the public forum if you have any disagreeableness with anyone please send them a private message.

The Wahnam family is good they have let us in their house. The Wahnam family let me into to their forum we have disagreed a few times and that is fine. Even after the arguements we have had they did not ban me they showed mercy and kindness. So i will go to bat for them because they are good. So any issue you have with Andrew you can now take up with me.

I am the current linage holder of Lei hua quan pai

Before i continue let me ask you something do you have internal power?

And if you do what can you do with it.

[JIMMI555]

i need to explain some thing to you

Hi again nice to read your reply, first let me explain to you that i am not here to have arguments with people, i simply stated what i thought to be true, when some one asks a question about martial arts i feel the obligation to explain what is right a rong, no one has to beleve me or listen to me for that mater,if you or any one else has a diferent opinion then me that is just fine, and im not in a cotest with Andruew to see how is right or rong,he can practice his chi kung exersize fast if that makes him happy,its quite ok with me trust me, now as far as what i can do and if i have internal power the answer is yes i do, and what it can do for me is keep me deeply rooted to the grownd,protect me from injury,give me power in my atacking strikes,allowe me to stick and follow with out letting go,to feel coton over steal in my arms, and to be brought forward at will in a instant when it is needed,that is were im at in my internal arts and i still have much to learn, now can you tell me what is your expirience with ging? i would like to know that
kind gards
james