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    What is your martial arts history? Why is it that way in ther first place? (Why did you do certain styles?)

    Here's my mini-novel:

    Tae Kwon Do (2 years) - At the time I was a child (9-10 years) and living in a small town in rural Texas. The only thing available within about 60 miles was this school. Rangel's Tae Kwon Do out of Rosenberg which was still a good 45-50 minutes away from where I was.

    It was fun, and I really only did it because I wanted to imitate some of the martial arts films I had seen.

    Karate (3 years) - (For personal reasons I will not list any names in connection to Karate or Aikido)I was in my late teens during this period and a friend into martial arts talked me into signing up. My family had moved to an area just outside of Houston, so now there were a lot of options as far as martial arts were concerned. But at the time I wasn't that interested in martial arts. I believe my parents just wanted me to do something to keep me active. They told me later that they felt that this school was best for me.

    Aikido (5 years) - The karate school had conviced an Aikido teacher to teach at their school. I had heard about Aikido and it looked fun so I tried it. At first I bounced back and forth from Karate and Aikido classes, but I enjoyed the Aikido classes more. The teacher was a great guy and his classes were always fun. For a period of about 3 years I always did Aikido, but then some personal business limited me to only going sporatically.

    After about a long 6 month layoff at the end, I returned to find that the Aikido teacher had been replaced by another man. This man was, in terms of techinique, impeccable. His Aikido was VERY good. His teaching method and his personality on the other hand was very stern and dry. His attitude, to me, was like we were only underlings to his senority. I felt like he didn't respect any of the students and his teaching method was just too sparse. He would show moves once or twice and say, "Do it like this." Very few people in the class could keep up with how he taught. Finally I quit because I wasn't learning anything from this man and his personality was too cold for my taste. With the old teacher from before, whenever I left class. . . I felt good, motivated, and happy. But now I no longer enjoyed classes.

    Judo & Arnis (heh. . . 6 months Wow what a long time!) - About the same time I was doing Aikido, a Judo program started in the Karate school. Gary, the Judo teacher was amazing. This guy was great. Amazing technique and amazing personality. He had started taking Judo and Arnis in the Philipines and started teaching it over here wherever he got the chance. He was the first true well rounded martial artist I have ever met. A guy that understood that just one style didn't have all the answers. He had taken Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Jeet Kune Do, Arnis, and some Wing Chun. His specialty was Arnis and Judo (his throws were devatstating,) but he was good in any range of combat.

    I didn't have much experience with either Judo or Arnis due to the limited amount of time I had taken classes (because my focus at the time was Aikido.) I would have continued, but Gary had to go back to the Philipines because of family issues. I am sad that I haven't seen the guy since. He is a great man.

    BJJ & Muay Thai - (on and off for the past 3 years) Because of my disappointment in the new Aikido class and the Judo program being shut down, I left martial arts for awhile. I focused more on getting a career and making money.

    An old friend of mine started telling me about these matches he had on video tape and a fighter named Kazushi Sakuraba. My friend was doing BJJ and Muay Thai at a place called Patumwadee Thai Boxing, which is located about 2 blocks away from the Astrodome. Patumwadee Thaiboxing was originally just a muay thai gym, but as MMA, NHB, Vale Tudo, or whatever you want to call it became popular, they geared the school for those types of fights. Saul Solis, the owner and head trainer at the gym currently trains Yves Edwards, Ricco Rodriguez, Pete Spratt, and sometimes Tito Ortiz (All guys are names in MMA.)

    Anyway, my friend told me Sakuraba had just beaten Royce Gracie a couple months ago (Sakuraba had beaten Royce on May 1st in 2000.) I was tripped out, I had seen old footage of Royce in the UFC. I didn't really understand groundfighting at the time, and while I thought it was effective, I didn't understand exactly how Royce won each of his fights. What mattered was that I knew Royce was good. And if Sakuraba had beaten him, Sakuraba must be very good.

    My friend popped in a bootleg tape from an event called Pride. Pride is based out of Japan and is a pretty big deal over there. I didn't imagine that 50,000 people would want to go to the Tokyo Dome and watch people beat each other up. Man, it was an EVENT. It seems so huge and just plain better compared to the old UFC footage I had watched. 1,000-2,000 angry Americans screaming crap like "Kill him!" and "What are you doing on the ground?!" compared to the 50,000 Japanese "Oohh!!" and "AAhh!" The Japanese understood the groundfighting aspect and cheered whenever a fighter got a dominant position, escaped from a potiental fight ending hold, or had good striking. It was like night and day.

    The fight I watched was Renzo Gracie (Royce's cousin and in my opinion the best Gracie at that time) vs Kazushi Sakuraba. Before they started they showed footage of Sakuraba vs Royce. Poor Royce. He got beat on and embarrassed in that fight. Anyway, in the Renzo vs Sakuraba fight, Renzo was the aggressor for most of the fight. Neither man was winning, but I had Renzo ahead because he was pushing the fight more. People could have called it a draw, but it probably would have been a decision with Sakuraba getting the win (it was in Japan, and sometimes hometown decisions happen.) Nearing the end, they are locked up in the corner. Not much seemed to be happening, but then, with a minute left, Sakuraba got a kimura armlock and dislocated Renzo's arm. Referee stops the fight and the crowd cheers Sakuraba. Amazing.

    I was enthralled by it all. So I had to do it. That is why I do BJJ and muay thai. Sakuraba (my favorite fighter) is not a BJJ or muay thai expert or exponent at all. But I do these arts because they cover most of what MMA is.

    I've been on and off with it due to work and personal commitments, but I enjoy it when I get the chance to do it. I've been to a number of places. HKG, Patumwadee (I can't hang there, those guys are too tough!) and Elite Martial Arts BJJ.

    It think what I like best about BJJ and MT is that it is dynamic. A lot of the techinque I was taught in Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, and Karate was static. It is very hard to do things when everything is in motion and an opponent is resisting. BJJ and MT realize that and encourage it. The only way to get more experience and be better is to replicate the situation as best and as safely as possible and train that situation.

    Also another thing I like is the mentality and social aspect of it. In Karate, TKD, and Aikido you are not supposed to question your seniors. Which I think is mostly borrowed from Asian culture. I don't think it's that applicable in the western world.

    For example, I have seen Karate insctuctors when questioned say something similar to,"This is just the way it is." They discourage people from questioning technique or methods. Now there's a difference between respecting somebody and just asking questions. Most tradional places I have seen, they take asking questions as disrespect.

    The BJJ or MT guys I have seen will say, "Ok, do what you're going to do and I'll show you why my way is a little better." In almost all cases, the BJJ instructor will neutralize whatever the student is going to do. If the student is correct, then they will take into account what the student is saying and experiement with technique to get things right.

    Your job as a student (when rolling) is to try to beat the teacher. Of course, this never happens unless you yourself are very experienced and very good. They don't discourage challenging each other, which I had seen discouraged in most of the traditional martial arts schools I have seen.

    I think in the future I'll be taking up Arnis. I might even go to the Philipines.

    (My above observations on traditional MA vs new styles are my opinions. So please nobody get bent out of shape.)

  • #2
    I'll add mine in.
    I did Judo as a kid for around six months.
    When I was 15 I started TKD because it was about 300 yards from where I lived. The instructor was a big man and very impressive. It wasn't a mcDojo - we sparred hard, and by the time you got your brown belt the instructor would want to spar with you before class each night. If you didn't keep your hands up, you'd get punched in the face quite hard, so it was a good toughening experience. By the time I went for my black belt, sparring other people was a relief compared to sparring my instructor.

    I started Okinawan Goju-ryu about 6 months after getting my black belt in TKD. I just felt that TKD didn't prepare me properly and that there was more out there. I also found TKD to be quite a shallow art in terms of what you actually learned. Okinawan Goju-ryu on the other hand was at the other extreme. It was close-in fighting, it was hard and there is a great depth to the art. My first class I asked to spar the instructor. For my trouble I got a kick in the groin, a bleeding mouth and got headbutted. The next time I went back, I kicked him in the face loosening a tooth - we've been good friends ever since
    I had trouble when I first went there from TKD because I couldn't get the space to do my kicks as they kept moving in and grabbing my legs if my kicks stayed out for too long. I eventually realized that the closer I was to my opponent, the safer I was. I was fortunate in that my instructor worked as a bouncer, which I also did (to get myself through university). So he showed me a lot of street-applicable and bouncing techniques, as well as headbutts, defense against headbutts etc. We ended up working together in a few places - it was good because we trusted each other to cover our backs.

    I trained in Goju for a few years as well as dabbling in some other arts and was going to go for my Goju black belt grading but something came up: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

    At the same time I was doing Goju, my black belt friends from TKD and other arts would get together in my backyard to train and exchange techniques. One of my mates Sean had bought Gracie In Action and said to Patrick "Pat, you're a good boxer. Put on these gloves. I want you to try and hit me, and keep going no matter what". Patrick thought it was a great idea, but Sean quickly took Patrick to the ground and applied a bad choke. We thought this was terrific and used to do it all the time: one person could punch, kick, knee etc as hard as he wanted and the other person could only grapple. The grappler always won, and we didn't even know what we were doing when it came to grappling.

    In 1991, Sean and myself travelled to train with John Will (Machado Black Belt). John was a former Silat world champion, ran a Freestyle martial arts school and was the publisher of a martial arts magazine called Blitz in which he had written articles about the Gracies. John was and still is the most impressive martial artist I've seen, from all ranges. He's done it all from being in knife fights in Indonesia (he's got the scars and stories to prove it) where he lived and trained for eight years, to wrestling in the dirt pits of India, to training in Thailand, Japan, US and Brazil. John had travelled to LA and Brazil to learn BJJ from Rorion and Rickson Gracie and Rigan Machado and was only a blue belt at the time but Sean and I did some private lessons with John and loved it. The first lesson I had was fantastic. The second even better. I remember walking out of the second lesson saying "It all fits together, it's amazing!".
    We returned in 1992 to train with John in stand-up and groundwork and then opened up a Shootfighting school under John Will. Over the years since then I've achieved my brown belt in BJJ and dabbled in wrestling and Judo also. I no longer do Shootfighting but concentrate on BJJ.

    The thing I like about BJJ is as Saku said, it's okay to question your instructor. In fact, I encourage my students to ask me questions and I now know that if someone asks me a question they are ready to be given more information. I've also noticed that there seems to be less arrogance about BJJ than in some other arts. I've walked into some martial arts schools and as soon as you walk through the door you can feel people measuring you up. That doesn't happen in BJJ schools, everyone seems to be quite friendly. You can't get away with being arrogant in BJJ because someone is always going to tap you

    The other great thing is the problem solving - BJJ is just physical chess with counters, counters to counters etc. You set up your opponent so he only has two ways out of something, he goes one way you get him with this, he goes the other you get him with that. What's great about it is that everything becomes predicatable. Obviously it's not always like that, but you can map out a position and know all the responses from that position, and have all answers mapped out. That's the difference between say a black belt and a blue belt. The Black belt doesn't have to think ahead (a common misconception), because he knows his opponent only has a few options and knows how to take advantage of whatever option his opponent chooses.

    Last edited by JohnnyS; 30 July 2003, 02:58 AM.

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    • #3
      JohnnyS, I didn't know you were a brown belt under John Will.

      He's not exactly a household name, but whenever I hear about the guy I, people always refer to him as the guy that brought BJJ to Austrialia. Cool stuff.

      A brown belt too, huh? Hah, don't get me on the mat, you'd school me without trouble.

      Nobody else wants to add their history?

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      • #4
        I've been in the martial arts for over 11 years. The following list covers the bulk of that history. (Note: several of these were practiced concurrently. )

        Main influences:
        Nisei Goju-ryu Karate, 6 years, Nidan
        Kickboxing, 3 years
        Shaolin Kungfu, 6 years
        Shaolin Chi Kung, 6 years

        Other influences:
        American Kempo Karate, 1 year
        Jujutsu, 1 year
        Fu Jow Pai Kungfu, 1 year

        Less than 6 months:
        Judo
        Tae Kwon Do
        Escrima
        Taijiquan
        Baguazhang

        As for why, I think I explained most of it here:

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        • #5
          Current rank held
          6th Dan in Kempo Karate, USMAF
          6th Dan in Kempo Ju-Jitsu, USJJF
          5th Dan in Goju-Ryu, National College of Martial Arts
          5th Dan in Shihan-Ryu Karate, SRI
          3rd Dan in US Ju-Jitsu, USJJF
          3rd Dan in Shihan-Ryu Ju-Jitsu, SRI
          Certified Senior Instructor/Examiner, USJJF & USMAF
          3rd Dan in Tae Kwon Do, USMAF


          Positions and awards

          President, Action Karate, 1983 to 1987
          Awarded “Instructor of the Year”, Action Karate, 1984
          Certification Chairman & Registration Chairman, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation, 1999 to present
          Life Member, USJJF & USMAF, 1999 to present
          Life Member, US YUDO, 2000 to present
          Board Member, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation, 1999 to present
          Board Member, United States Martial Arts Federation, 1999 to present
          Awarded official title of Renshi, USMAF, 2000
          Board Member, Martial Arts International Federation, 2001 to present
          Registration Chairman, US JU-JITSU 2002 National Championships
          Presidential Leadership Award, USJJF, 2002

          I have been around for a while

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          • #6
            Hi folks

            Kajukenpo karate 1982-1985 1st dan.

            1985-1990 college. Did just enough training on my own to not forget everything I'd been taught.

            1990-present Seiei Kan karate. 5th dan.

            At some point in the 90's I began cross training in Hakko Ryu jujutsu. I currently cross train in an eclectic mix of BJJ/judo/wrestling/"take the guy down and make him submit."

            Why do I train? As a kid, I got tired of getting beat up, pushed around, being afraid all the time and walking away from fights because it was my only choice.

            Naturally, I have huge interest in self defense.


            Mark

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            • #7
              Re: What's your martial arts history? And Why?

              Hi folks

              saku39 & JohnnyS said a few things in their posts that just happen to be pet peeves of mine regarding bad instruction.

              So I'm going to trot out the soapbox.


              Originally posted by saku39
              It think what I like best about BJJ and MT is that it is dynamic. A lot of the techinque I was taught in Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, and Karate was static.
              Aaaaauuuuuggggghhhhhhh. Anyone who teaches karate statically is an idiot. Stay away from them.

              The only way to get more experience and be better is to replicate the situation as best and as safely as possible and train that situation.
              Absolutely. I would have hoped this was universally known among all instructors.

              In Karate, TKD, and Aikido you are not supposed to question your seniors.
              Aaaaaauuuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhh.
              I don't know what its like in the East, but this attitude in nonsense wherever you are. In the West, I think its a result of instructor's egos and Westerners badly adopting Eastern cultural traditions.

              They discourage people from questioning technique or methods. Now there's a difference between respecting somebody and just asking questions. Most tradional places I have seen, they take asking questions as disrespect.
              Aaaaaaaauuuuuuugggggggghhhhhh.
              This close minded attitude is a convenient way for an instructor to tell himself there's nothing else left for him to learn. If a teacher doesn't learn from his students every chance he gets then he is a fool.

              Your job as a student (when rolling) is to try to beat the teacher.
              This is the student's job wherever you train.

              The flip side to this is, your job as a teacher is to make your student skilled enough so they can "beat" you in a controlled setting. Then, your job is to figure out how to change your application to neutralize their skill. Then their job is to figure out how to circumvent your neutralization.

              In the best circumstances, it becomes a way for both of you to get better.

              Which is what this is all about, right?

              JohnnyS said:

              I've also noticed that there seems to be less arrogance about BJJ than in some other arts.

              Aaaaaauuuuuuggggggggghhhhhh. This is a case of setting a good example. If the instructor is not arrogant and doesn't put up with arrogance, then the students will follow.

              You can't get away with being arrogant in BJJ because someone is always going to tap you
              This reminds me of a discussion on another list. Someone said schools that do lots of hands on drills where you have to resist/counter/neutralize the attacks of another have folks with better attitudes than schools that don't.

              People see that those with high ranks make mistakes too. It keeps the higher ranked folks humble. It makes everyone realize its the amount of effort you put into your training that gives you good results. And it shows everyone that if you slack off your practice, you are going to lose your skill.

              I have to agree.

              Finally, if you (a student) put up with any of the childish behavior described above from your instructors, you will get what you deserve.

              Mark
              Last edited by juszczec; 3 August 2003, 04:07 PM.

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              • #8
                I forgot to add in my details that I've been training for nearly 18 years in martial arts, and that my Shootfighting grade was 3rd Degree black belt under John Will.

                With regard to John Will, he's the finest instructor I've ever seen. the way he can break down a technique and communicate to one person or one hundred people is amazing.

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                • #9
                  Mark,
                  Something I've noticed over the years is that people are generally similar in personality to their instructor. I'm not sure if people's personalities change overtime, or whether certain personalities draw the same personality-types (or probably a combination of the two). For example, the Goju-ryu people I trained with were all friendly but trained hard and were quite tough, just like the head instructor. I've notived Kyokushin guys seem to generally be quite strong and arrogant (like Mas Oyama). I've known some instructors that I'd call "snakes in the grass", and their students were equally untrustworthy.


                  It's a broad generalisation I know (not everyone is like this), but it seems to be true in the main.

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