Grappling & Kung-Fu--Myth & Reality

[juszczec]

Originally posted by push hands
okay some links and vids about internal force...but then again the video you will see you will say "that seemed fake"...yes because the actual demonstration is not being performed on you. but to the person on the receiving end they can tell you that the power is awesome....

i don't even know why we have to convince anyone regarding internal arts. when people get comfortable in a certain plain of truth they stay there...but for others who truly serch will gain.

http://www.yellowbamboo.com/

http://www.wenwu.org/DefaultShow3.asp?file=pyrogenesis
http://www.wenwu.org/DefaultShow3.asp?file=telekinesis

Your posted url's are counterproductive to the argument. I don't think any of the Wahnam members are saying chi can knock down a herd of men charging at you full blast, or that it can light things on fire or move objects thru space.

Are they?

Mark

[Fat Sau]

Your posted url's are counterproductive to the argument. I don't think any of the Wahnam members are saying chi can knock down a herd of men charging at you full blast, or that it can light things on fire or move objects thru space.

Hi Mark,

This again will complicate the argument again, but I believe that cultivation of energy can achieve these feats and far more. But I think this part of the argument should be left out for now. Only the privileged few will ever see or feel this.

Actually the Kostas Danaos at wenwu.org has written some very interesting books (Magus Of Java, Nei Kung). If you want to know more about internal Kungfu entwined with spirituality (metaphysics), this will give you a good idea of the most extreme feats.

Jon

[push hands]

sorry...i was merely providing some visuals for Truewrestler and Schermitore.

all i'm saying is there is only one "truth" but it has many levels.

[push hands]

hi juszczec,

i see that you are from ohio...you might want to check out Guy Savelli. here is his website...very nice man.

http://www.worldkungfu.com/

you should pay him a visit and ask for demonstration...be nice and respectful of course.

[juszczec]

push hands

Thanks for the link. I'll give it a read and possibly get in touch with Mr. Savelli.

Believe it or not, this is what I was hoping for - someone in my area with these kinds of skills.

Thanks

Mark

[Antonius]

I don't think any of the Wahnam members are saying chi can knock down a herd of men charging at you full blast, or that it can light things on fire or move objects thru space.

Not that I've ever seen.

[push hands]

juszczec,

not a problem...i'm always happy to share.

let me know how your visit goes.

[Charles David]

Its far too late for me to read all of this thread now, so I will put it on top of the pile to look at later.

With Shaolin Salute,

[Kaitain]

Hello - my first post here, thought I'd contribute.

I'm a Yang style taiji instructor in the UK (Brighton), I train with John Ding - it's good stuff. I can hit people very hard and 'internally' (if you want to call it that - it's just good mechanics). http://www.eternal-internal.com/video/bad_demo.AVI is a blurry clip of me doing a demo last weekend. The second half shows some of the striking I do - the last one injured my student quite badly, through the armour he was wearing (you can see him crumple from the pain in his liver - last time we use that armour and no gloves). That covers my credentials regarding Taijiquan and 'internal power'.

Previously I have trained in Wado Ryu Karate, Muay Thai, Escrima and Fencing. In total I have trained for around 20 years of my 32 in existence.

I used to think that stopping a takedown would be easy - just hit them on the way in, job done. Nope - shoots come from around punching distance and are usually attempted off the back of a strike. Consequently it's very difficult to hit someone hard when your structure isn't 'set'. A strike comes in high, then the shoot comes in low - it is difficult to do anything other than sprawl. A drill that I train my guys with is to work combinations of strikes and then to shoot in when they feel like it - the guy defending usually gets taken down unless he just maintains distance, in which case he's not really achieving anything in the fight. Sometimes they land a hit on the guy coming in, but none of them believe they could do it hard enough to stop the shoot. A guy I respect greatly uses the phrase "train for failure" - I've taken it for my own training mantra. What if I cant stop the shoot and I get taken down - what then? One of the popular answers here seems to be "Tiger Claw" - I don't want to offend, but that's just fantasy.

Unless you train with a good ground-grappling system, you cannot know what it's like to be taken down for the first time when you know nothing about groundwork. I started no-gi BJJ a few years back but I only train sporadically - Im not interested in being particularly great on the deck, I just wanted to know what to do down there. Taijiquan has skills that translate - sensitivity, neutralising, softness - if you dont know the techniques that work down there then those skills are useless. If you are mounted on your back in a fight, the guy is going to try and armlock you, he's going to beat you into a pulp. What then? You cant strike with power from your back with someone on you - whole body power requires the whole body to be available. Yes you can gouge and poke and rip things - but you're on your back being punched in the face, how are you going to have time to do that?

The floor is a dumb place to be in a fight, if you're mounted and being punched, what if his friend starts kicking you in the head? How are you going to get up? Can you get someone off of you whilst they're punching you, or do you roll onto your front to stop being punched in the face?

You dont have to be a blue belt in BJJ to handle yourself on the ground - but you need to train with people who know that arena and can show you the techniques and positions that get you out of it. I train with my teachers because in their arenas they can completely dominate me, it's not even a competition. If you believe you have that in your stand-up, why not seek it in your groundwork?

Anyway - just a few thoughts

Paul

[Kaitain]

apologies - hadnt realised someone had just bumped this to the top of the forum.