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  • A Query: Is Shaolin Wahnam Naturally "Correct"

    Hi Everyone ! (Advance Warning: A long post! )

    I have had only to one lesson in specifically a Shaolin Wahnam class so far, and signed up to receive this email newsletter a short while ago, though have a range of other experience, and experiences, "elsewhere".

    I have a myriad of questions, so just a few here, in relation to getting an accurate feel for what Shaolin Wahnam is, and what it is not, from the most superficial, to deeper levels. I have sneaky beaky reasons for wondering this also. If I may, I also wished to make a comment upon an entry in a previous, and recent Newsletter article - something that comments upon a Sifu's own comments, so I hope that you may please forgive my doing so !!

    A few points/questions then (it is a given that more classes in Shaolin Wahnam would assist, but ober an above this...):

    1) Physically (Materially), your typical "Martial" Art is, by word definition, a largely Human Fighting Art (in the Physicality sense). Therefore, a variety of Strikes, Grabs, Chi Na etc... are utilised. However, it is also ("ultimately") an Art that realises that, really, it is ultimately nothing other than a Healing Art, one that is one of a myriad of ways to experience reality with more sensitivity, awareness, depth, caring, etc. and that naturally leads to love and compassion, caring for all things and others, and not aggression or fighting. It is real to say that we are all forms of Life, part of the Universe, that we inhabit, in an integral sea of energy which is given the Human name Chi, or Qi, or Ki, etc.... Right. That said. How, therefore, do each of the students or teachers of Shaolin Wahnam view, actually practice, and approach, their art, physically and otherwise ? How is the "correct" direction steered for this "style" ? I am concerned, as just one example, that manoeuvres such as Throat holds (nothing other than an invasive and aggressive, and frankly uncaring/impositional manoeuvre) may be utilised in the style, and this does not allie with a caring, empathising, manner - caring for the fact that the person opposite you can't be a well and happy person to be doing what they're doing in the first place (empathy needed). In arts such as Ki Aikido, as an example, the Energy of the person/s you ar dealing with is, for the most part, redirected in a manner that cares for the Humanity of the person/s opposite, and ties them up or similar. It may not be, in technique or drill, the equal in rapid fighting by wing chun/Wahnam exponents, but it really does come into its own in a REAL LIFE event, if/when one's mind is automatically clicked into the sensitive mode. How does Shaolin Wahnam approach all this (actually, in practice, not in theory) ? This is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT in all Life, and often very subtle to steer, or appreciate, correctly. Many seemingly well-meaning efforts to the originators, such as the US/UK in Iraq, or 1930s/40s wanting people to be Blond Haired and Blue Eyed, and genetically superior, nonetheless spiral quickly into creating anything but pleasant consequences to ALL concerned - the originator, and originated (what you give out comes back to you/equal and opposite reaction). Thus, I am very interested to know, in practice, not in imagination or theory, how does Shaolin Wahnam steer its students, teachers, and training? We chose to be programmed when undertaking any learning. It is important to be aware of whether the software suits, it naturally balanced, or subtly off-balance, and thus with consequences to the Mind, Originator, and The Other/s involved.

    2) If I may be so very very bold, but very well intentioned , I should like to clarify a newsletter articel that stated that "Life was a Fight", in essence. Whilst for many this may feel the case, and examples can easily be accrued to support this line of argument, I would very much like to make an alternate, and really more "real"/naturally "correct" statement. Life, from a Human's perspective, is only a fight if one perceives it that way. There are an infinity of other ways to perceive things - this, in real "reality" is also the Einsteinian Principle of Relativity. For example, if there is a Relative Difference between how you want things to be, and how you perceive that they in fact are, there is a proportional Emotional response created by that difference. If there is no difference, then the two equate to each other, and you have a non-issue. All things in the Universe take the "Principle of Least Action", of Least Energy. Everything we experience has already done so. However, often "work" is being performed to keep things in that state, which, if we let that "work" go, allows the system to assume a more stable, lower, energy state.

    Combining these then, if we feel that everything is a fight, first of all we have had to "perceive" that there is a Relative difference present, and interpet this as uphill struggle - e.g. things are not as we WANT them to be; or, things SHOULD not be happening like that (even though, in nature, they are like that, whether we like it or not !!!). We chose how to perceive that situation, from an infinite range of possible ways to look at it that we really had to choose from (Relativity again, Relative Frame of Reference looking at the same issue). We then have a thought, then an action, derived from this, which tries to "fight" the situation, and gets very tired (especially over a lifetime) performing "Work" to keep fighting this imaginary fight. If there were not a Relative difference between how we feel things should be, and how we perceived that they are/were, then the situation would either be a non-issue, would not have appeared on the radar anyway, and thus we would not feel the need to fight it ! Fighting is very tiring, requires the maintenance of continual tension in the mind and body to meet it (performing "work" again!) , and is unhealthy, in almost ALL areas of Life - it manifests/spreads in many other areas of life, and in our character, our relationships, etc, as a consequence. We have had many many Wars and fights that confirm this, and that continue to do so over and over again.

    So, therefore, what course does a "Correct" "Martial", or any "correct"/Healing Art need to steer, and why ?

    The "How to dissolve the fight-bit", the relative difference, is done by any of the following, as examples: a) Acceptance of how things actually/really are, rather than seeing them how we want things to be (Acceptance=Zero Relative Difference); b) Seeing if we can second-guess ourselves and perceive the situation from a different point of view (relative perspective), such as by checking and seeing if it's actually our way of thinking about the issue, or if we are correct in our thinking, or if we can deliberately take a neutral or positive perspective from it; c) Let things go; d) Be in the "No Mind" state, which has no such judgement inherently; e) Do not place Expectations or Conditions upon things to be a certain way (including yourself applying these principles!), therefore there's no relative difference again; f) Realise that your interpretation of events may be a direct reflection of yourself and your mind only, and since you would act upon those thoughts, it's best to be sure you've got them "right"; g) Empathise with your "opponent/s" and envisage what they must be going through in their Mind's and Life to be so very unhappy inside themselves as to "attack" you in some way - they really could use a bit of caring about them, which will then show in the Techniques you learn, and thus choose NOT to learn/teach, and thus in the Mind-and-Body-Programming that training instills.

    In fact, the dissolving of barriers, of relative difference, the bringing together of seemingly separate things, etc, has a name, and it is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (WITHOUT condition)- the highest goal of any Art of this type. Even if a very very unhappy Person or multiple Person's indeed "attack" you, a "No Mind" state, or a state which it instantaneously caring for, and empathising with, those "attacking" you, should assist in dealing with the situation in the most appropriate means for all those people present, and a greater flow and respect will be present in the Techniques used, applied, and end result attained.

    And since "what goes around comes around", (Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction), being loving (dissolving of relative difference) in this way will naturally bring this to you, which will help dissolve the need to fight, or even any fights occurring. (This is why happy people rarely experience fights etc and often write in flower-power-type langauge, but those used to fighting seem to keep finding fights and hardship in their life all the time! It has much to do with how our minds have been programmed by our experienced since we were each born (e.g. we all write and speak in English, why !!!???? think about it, why not gibberish, why what we call English!)

    All this then naturally leads to another positive and more natural state for you, RELAXATION of Mind and Body. If there's no-issue, you are naturally Relaxed. No Tension held in your body. The Perception of Issues (Relative differences) creates an emotion and physical effect, which includes Tension held in the body, and the holding onto (plus other effects) of Energy. And a more relaxed person becomes a healthier person in every area of Life. A more relaxed and easy-going person, who does not experience an "attack" as a big Relative Difference (a "Shock" to the system), and has no expectation/condition/standard to compare that attack against, is naturally Calm and Relaxed and able to deal with the "attack" in a simple and effective way, as it's really a non-issue. So they look calm.

    So, all in all, I do hope you'll forgive my saying so, but in the Universe actually "Life is a Fight" is only correct if one insists in maintaining that viewpoint and perspective, for whatever the reasons. The most natural Universal State, instead, includes the combination of the Principle of Least Action (stop performing "Work" on an imaginary problem), Dissolving of the APPARENT Relative Difference between things (Principle of Relativity, Acceptance, Love, etc...), and Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction (What you give out comes back to you (in all Life's areas)). This leads to Happiness/Contentment, Relaxation (you can stop fighting!), more of the positive things in Life, and so on.... And there are other Principles too !

    Applying these "Correct" Universal Principles in a Martial Art, will ONLY support the usage of certain techniques in a system, and certain methods and mindsets. Because Martial Arts genuinely "Program" Minds and Bodies, the Program itself need to be very careful, otherwise many Mindset and Physical Consequences result in EVERY area of our lives, in those areas where the Programming was not in a natural balance. May I therefore ask what Shaolin Wahnam does in this respect, IN PRACTICE, not in theory ?

    A USEFUL GUIDE:

    Take a Calm Flat Pond. A Ripple (Issue) starts. If we try to Stop the ripple we create more ripples. If we fight harder to stop these ripples we get yet more ripples. If we panic, and try (fight?) even harder, we create a storm on the water ! All this Noise, Energy-usage, Faff, Frantic Mind & Action, etc... We could use an anti-phase wave to cancel out the ripple, but that would take Extra Energy and Resource itself to create. Therefore, like a Murderer in a TV Detective Program, and as in Martial Arts, or in Anthropogenic Climate Change, or in so much of Life, THE ONLY CORRECT SOLUTION is not to have create the deed (ripple) in the first place. That is, the ONLY CORRECT solution is to let the first ripple die down of its own accord. And then we have a Peaceful, Calm, Tranquil, Relaxed, Natural, Flat Pond (Ourselves, and all in our Lives and Arts!).

    I hope this helps, in all areas of the Lives of the Readers of this Forum (long as my post may be!), as well as in Shaolin Wahnam training !!!

    My Sincere Best Wishes !

    Chris. M.

  • #2
    Hi Chris,

    I'm not sure what you're getting at, but.............

    Is Shaolin Wahnam Naturally "Correct"
    I don't know, but I enjoy it.............and besides, as Anton Siheng said recently, It saves lives.

    Is ice cream naturally correct?

    I don't know, but I enjoy it.

    Does ice cream save lives? Yet to be determined.......

    Mark
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    "Then how could chi kung overcome diseases where the cause is unknown or when there is no cure? The question is actually incorrect. The expressions "the cause is unknown" and "there is no cure" are applicable only in the Western medical paradigm. The expressions no longer hold true in the chi kung paradigm. In the chi kung paradigm the cause is known, and there is a cure."

    -Grandmaster Wong Kiew Kit

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    • #3
      Clarifying "Naturally-Correct" then

      Hi Mark & Co. !

      In my previous posting I asked if Shaolin Wahnam came from, and taught, Naturally Correct Principles. It would take me some time to communicate the meaning of this in words here, so shall suffice with a few(ish) lines.

      Naturally Balanced is the same as saying "taking the Middle way" which is the same as saying "Absolute Path rather than Relative Differences present/Relativity" which is the same as saying "Where Yin and Yang Balance" which is the same as saying "Universal Unconditional Love rather than Conditional Love or other Conditional State" , and so on.

      How do we know if someting is Naturally Correct ? Because there are Consequences. Something that is Naturally Correct disappears into the Absolte Flow, and the issue in question becomes a non-issue. Perceived Issues, though, and the Thoughts and Actions that follow, give rise to consequences.

      Some examples:

      Eating Ice Cream. Absolutely Gorgeous ! Would love one or three now ! But helps towards making you Podgy. Also, helps to slow down your Energy (a bit like Gloop). Also, the refined sugars affect your natural metabolism. Consequences. Tastes nice though !!!

      People are Unsatisfied and "lost" in Life. Leads to Buying and Making un-needed Gadgets, etc. Creates and Supplies Electricity. Creates TV, Videos, DVDs, Power Stations, etc. Leads to increasingly-distanced Mindsets and Awareness from Nature, so decisions are made increasingly in Human, fashionable, and not-naturally-aware ways. Infrastructure generates Greenhouse gases, Environmental pillage, Extinctions of Species, and so on. Mindsets sitting in front of TV etc reduces Social interaction, musculature, physical capability and hobbies, and survival skills for when things get a bit hairy. Consequences, you see! Out of Balance to Nature !

      UK People expect their idea of Perfect Health, and thus Expect and DEMAND the Earth from the NHS and its oh-so-Human caring Staff (because WE PAY FOR IT right !? ), and make more and more Procedures, with more and more Bureacracy, which stresses out the GPs and Nurses etc, which requires more and more Resource to maintain, which leads to NHS Breakdown and massive debt, and a population that is not Medically Self-Reliant, but reliant on others - just ready for the big Drought, or Tsunami ....

      When English People see Foreigners as Immigrants, and think and act against them, there are Consequences. Yet we are all forms of Life, calling ourselves Human, sharing a Planet, as far as Nature is concerned. There is no dichotomy here, it's a Mental invention only ! England is a Human invention, with imaginary borders. It's "just" (in one perspective) a land-mass not occupied by the Sea at this point in time. Consequences of an out-of-Natural Balance perspective, Strongly-Held, you see (affects Minds -> Thoughts/Beliefs->Actions->Results !!! If no perceived relative difference between English and Asians, for example, this would be a Non-issue, and solely one about Natural Resources.

      So when a Martial Art, one of the important tools for experiencing deeper aspects of Life, comes from a Naturally-Incorrect basis, it's Basis and Actions, which are Programmed into the exponent (as most things in Life are), rubs off, and Nature will demonstrate the Consequences IN EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE, including the Mind and Happiness of the exponent, and in their Thoughts, Decisions, and Subsequent Actions in all of Daily Life. And if not in-tune with NATURE'S WAYS, NOT Human Fashionable and Cultural Ways of any givem place or time, then there'll be Consequences. Very simple. Very Subtle. But True. A course to Steer you see ! ...

      E.g. A Priest has to wear certain clothers Why ? A Buddhist Monk might have to wear Orange robes ? Why ? Engrained Beliefs ? Required by NAture ? Human creations ? Creates Differences or Brings Together ?...

      So I know what I'm looking for in a few Martial Arts for various reasons (the Sneaky-Beaky reasons for the query), and am wondering if Shaolin Wahnam fits the bill, or not, for whatever the historic or others reasons!

      Hence the Query !

      All the Best!

      Chris. M.

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      • #4
        Hello Chris, welcome to the Forum!

        Originally posted by Chris M.
        Thus, I am very interested to know, in practice, not in imagination or theory, how does Shaolin Wahnam steer its students, teachers, and training?
        Perhaps it would be best to experience this in practice then...

        You make it all seem so complicated... how am I to relax my body and mind with all this data?

        Take a Calm Flat Pond. A Ripple (Issue) starts. If we try to Stop the ripple we create more ripples. If we fight harder to stop these ripples we get yet more ripples. If we panic, and try (fight?) even harder, we create a storm on the water ! All this Noise, Energy-usage, Faff, Frantic Mind & Action, etc... We could use an anti-phase wave to cancel out the ripple, but that would take Extra Energy and Resource itself to create. Therefore, like a Murderer in a TV Detective Program, and as in Martial Arts, or in Anthropogenic Climate Change, or in so much of Life, THE ONLY CORRECT SOLUTION is not to have create the deed (ripple) in the first place. That is, the ONLY CORRECT solution is to let the first ripple die down of its own accord. And then we have a Peaceful, Calm, Tranquil, Relaxed, Natural, Flat Pond (Ourselves, and all in our Lives and Arts!).
        How do you know it is the only correct solution - or, furthermore, that it even is a correct solution? In my practice I have learned many things - one of them is that I really know very, very little.

        An analogy will only take you so far - it may be used to explain a certain viewpoint, but it cannot become the real deal. Real life is much more that ripples in a pond, even if some aspects of it can be looked at as such, for the sake of convenience.

        But, for the sake of argument, why would we ever want to stop a ripple? We can alter it, we can transform it. We cannot stop things from happening - life is a meaningful flow of energy - but we can and we do affect this flow. I guess that's part of it being meaningful.

        When we "fight" (I must have missed that newsletter, so I really cannot give a opinion on this), we do not try push our head trough a wall. There are many, many ways to fight - including not to fight at all.

        Best Regards,
        Tapio

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        • #5
          Hi Chris

          allow me to welcome you to the family and forum. I am writing a post on a similar topic now, so I will not jump the gun here.

          I just thought I would comment on your first 2 posts here. Please don't get me wrong when I say that the posts demonstrate a classic example of over-intellectualisation leading to confusion. Whether i was reading for my basic degree or at work now, I find that making things simple to understand is far more difficult than to complicate them. You can seldom explain something clearly unless and until you have understood it yourself. The posts suggest that you are unsure of your basic premise.

          You use many capitalised terms, which are meant to be terms of art. While there is almost never a consensus of opinion in the real world, there are many things people can agree on. You can just use the word "consequences" as it is and people will understand it. It is only in legal documents that you see capitalised and specially defined terms for the most common of words (and we all know how lawyers are perceived....)

          To echo my brother Tapio, it is better to experience. Life is too short to spend intellectualising; I barely have enough time to savour it in all its fullness.
          百德以孝为先
          Persevere in correct practice

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          • #6
            Chris,

            Glad the login problem is resolved.

            Looks like we (you and I) have much in common. I spent a few years working in MicroWave electronics---- my degree project was the design and building of a first generation GSM (900MHz) Tx/Rx module --- and the group I was in was desiging the first intra-office secure comms system @ 60GHz.

            So, now having told you how similar we are, to tell you how we differ.

            I learned to let go of my preconceptions and let go of the need to intellectually understand everything. I did this during my first course with Sifu Wong. The NEED to understand disolved as I EXPERIENCED and "understood" intuitiveley.

            You want to know what effect the Shaolin Arts taught by Shaolin Wahnam will have on you. No idea because each individual is exactly that - individual. If you want to know what effects are LIKELY, take a look at the more advanced students and teachers of the Institute. If they display the atributes you are searching for, then these Arts are likely right for you. It's not "scientific" and it's not a case of someone trying to persuade you using scientific or rhetoric means. It's a first step in learning to experience and understand intuitively.

            Andrew
            Sifu Andrew Barnett
            Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

            Flowing Health GmbH www.flowing-health.ch (Facebook: www.facebook.com/sifuandrew)
            Healing Sessions with Sifu Andrew Barnett - in Switzerland and internationally
            Heilbehandlungen mit Sifu Andrew Barnett - in der Schweiz und International

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            • #7
              Hello

              Originally posted by Chris M.
              Thus, I am very interested to know, in practice, not in imagination or theory, how does Shaolin Wahnam steer its students, teachers, and training?
              Have you read the 10 Shaolin Laws (I assume not, because they make this question redundant?)

              Ten Shaolin Laws that reflect the very high moral values Shaolin disciples cherish, and which transcend race, culture and religion.



              Best wishes,
              George / Юра
              Shaolin Wahnam England

              gate gate pāragate pārasaṁgate bodhi svāhā

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              • #8
                Dear Chris,

                I believe we met in Bristol, I'm really glad that you have found your way here, its a good place to be

                So when a Martial Art, one of the important tools for experiencing deeper aspects of Life, comes from a Naturally-Incorrect basis, it's Basis and Actions, which are Programmed into the exponent (as most things in Life are), rubs off, and Nature will demonstrate the Consequences IN EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE, including the Mind and Happiness of the exponent, and in their Thoughts, Decisions, and Subsequent Actions in all of Daily Life. And if not in-tune with NATURE'S WAYS, NOT Human Fashionable and Cultural Ways of any givem place or time, then there'll be Consequences. Very simple. Very Subtle. But True. A course to Steer you see ! ...
                Perhaps you could read a few of my thoughts on where my practice of Kung Fu in Shaolin Wahnam has 'steered' me over the past year.

                a) Acceptance of how things actually/really are, rather than seeing them how we want things to be (Acceptance=Zero Relative Difference)
                Do you remember when we were asked to smile from the heart in class?

                Well, that is one way we can practically experience such acceptance. When I smile from the heart, usually twice a day, I love everyone and everything exactly as they are, not as I want them to be. My ego, my desire to shape, my subjectivity, is silenced. There is just openess and love.

                This feeling gradually starts to become the norm, so you can eventually act with compassion and love even towards someone with opposing intentions to yourself.

                As a practical example; When sparring with any of my classmates I finish with more warmth towards them than when I started. The more intense the sparring becomes, the more gratitude I have toward my partner.

                I hope this helps to shed a little light.
                Blessings,
                Nick

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                • #9
                  Just a quick, but important, P.S. to people reading this thread.

                  Please remember that it is the student who must prove themselves worthy and deserving to learn these Arts --- not the other way around.

                  Andrew
                  Sifu Andrew Barnett
                  Shaolin Wahnam Switzerland - www.shaolin-wahnam.ch

                  Flowing Health GmbH www.flowing-health.ch (Facebook: www.facebook.com/sifuandrew)
                  Healing Sessions with Sifu Andrew Barnett - in Switzerland and internationally
                  Heilbehandlungen mit Sifu Andrew Barnett - in der Schweiz und International

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                  • #10
                    Sihing is quite right.
                    I think we have been rather spoiled and taken too many things for granted.
                    It is the teacher who chooses which people are worthy or not to learn.
                    The teacher does not need to prove to anyone whether their art is natural, compassionate or combat efficient.


                    _________________________________

                    Luke: But is the dark side stronger?
                    Master Yoda: No, only if you let it
                    Luke: But how will I.............
                    Master Yoda: No! no more questions for today, you must clear your mind.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chris M.
                      So I know what I'm looking for in a few Martial Arts for various reasons (the Sneaky-Beaky reasons for the query), and am wondering if Shaolin Wahnam fits the bill, or not, for whatever the historic or others reasons!
                      Hi Chris,

                      Let me save you some time. You do not need to decide if our School is right for you as you are not right for us. You are not a deserving and worthy student. As my Sihing kindly reminded the readers - it is the student who must prove themselves worthy and deserving, not the other way round.

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                      • #12
                        Well done, Jordan.

                        What is it with students lately? Is there some sort off "disrespect" virus going around? Boy.

                        I wouldn't waste five minutes on a student like Chris. And on that note, I'm done here.
                        Last edited by Antonius; 4 July 2006, 01:24 PM.
                        Sifu Anthony Korahais
                        www.FlowingZen.com
                        (Click here to learn more about me.)

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                        • #13
                          The other night as I was practising I realised very clearly why Sifu Anthony was so firm with people like Grammatoncleric (see thread in the Miscellaneous section). The same thing applies to Sifu Jordan and Chris here.

                          It was simply that I felt with real clarity just how powerful and authentic and trustworthy and wonderful our school’s arts are (well, actually I have only experienced a tiny bit of the depth of our arts, but it’s enough to know). I understood that if you taste and then reject these arts then you have wasted something truly great. It’s a bit like someone who is served up an amazing meal, has a mouthful and then can’t be bothered to eat it. Obviously they are being rude and ungrateful, whatever reasons and justifications they might have.

                          Maybe it’s the consumer mentality we’re surrounded by that makes people think they are king, they have the right to pick and choose and poke and criticise to see if it’s good enough for them. But for anyone who knows what this is we’re dealing with, that attitude is so wrong. I think the proper response is gratitude.

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                          • #14
                            This thread has taught me an important lesson, thank you.

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                            • #15
                              A Reply to Everyone's Posts - A Long one again !

                              Hello Everyone!

                              As just a number of words then, my writings may have appeared intellectual, but they very definitely were not, in origin. I have had a wide range and depth of very tangible experiences. I do not need to wonder what the Universe is about as such (!), whether Chi exists, and so forth, where we are RIGHT NOW, as it has been very much my personal tangible experience to experience this. I may not have the physical techniques at this time, associated with this specific style, but a wealth more awareness of broader Life, to which everything, you and I belong, and with regards to which ALL are welcome.

                              In practicing once with Jordan it was very interesting to me how the Shaolin Wahnam methodology was applied, how the physical practice may or may not have differed from the heart of the teaching. Part of my previous Martial Art experience had been double pushing hands, but without any combative element. So Jordan was very good at finding the gaps. It was a play, to me, as per my previous art. A Throat hold was applied that evening, hence my question earlier. I was also very much getting a feel for the Energy/Feel of the class. Nonetheless, it has also been very much my experience that, when needed, in real situations, things "click in", and the circumstances are very different, the Mindset very different, and the outcome different, an so forth.

                              The reason that I had written as I had, albeit verbosely, was to communicate one way of addressing issues for people, there using the language and Principles of Physics, as being very real and consistent Principle for every aspect of Life, including the Relative Mind.

                              Part of the Sneaky Beaky reasons forthe original query. I am in the early throes of furthering a large-scale Charitable endeavour to kindly and pleasantly address and provide for people with regards to all issues of the current, and any, time, including Climate Change, "Environmental"/all Life impact, Natural Good Health and NHS Breakdown, Religious differences and tensions, Immigration, Genuinely Sustainable Living, Genuine Basic Living Skills, Contentment, Callings, and Simplicity, andetc.... So having a consistent set of Principles to be able to communicate, that each person can take on board, or disseminate as appropriate, has a useful basis. You are all helping me, as a soundbaord, to see how well, or how ineffectively, I communicate these things. You are all being very helpful to me !

                              Part of the endeavour, as envisaged, is to bring Martial and Healing Arts more into the public experiential domain, literally alongside other many important things in Life, which, for People only as appropriate for them, may lead simultaneously to broadened awareness, awareness of the consequences and commonalities in things, greater skill, finding of interests and callings, and other envisaged facets, and consequent increase in the ability to adapt and survive, appreciate life, require less (thus impact less), foster their own reason-for-being/Calling, and ultimately become more and more Content with less. All in a very simple and down-to-earth non-impositional way.

                              For this endeavour, the Martial Arts aspects need to be of the appropriate feel and Energy to be coming from a basis that is attuned to Nature's (the Universe's) ways of working, Nature's Balance, rather than of a Selfish, or Human-created/Human-focused origin - this, since the Consequences of not being so are, well, Consequences to the Health and Mindset of the Person themselves, and their subsequent decisions and Actions in all Life, and to all Life. Thus, Arts that stress and train unwarranted (!) Aggressive intent and action/manoeuvres, can only come from a basis that has not yet appreciated the Amazingness of Life itself, and thus be caring for the other.

                              Why the proposed endeavour? Well, One of several reasons is that there are Consequences to many of the ways that People are approaching issues, including Governments. Renewable Energies, Impositional Carbon Taxes and Satellite Car-Tracking, ID Cards, Immigration limits, Iraq should be THAT way, My Husband SHOULD be this way, etc etc... are all examples of thoughts and ideas that do not come from a Natural basis, and will have continued Consequences. There are consistent and simple Principles in Life that underly absolutely everything, every issue. Yes, these are best Experienced. If they have not been, then Guidance coming from these Principles is thus the next available option at the time.

                              You will all find that UK Society is becoming more "me me me" and internally unsatisfied in orientation. This may not be the case with People in other countries, often who are said to be in Poverty (real Poverty, or apparent Poverty RELATIVE to our UK Society's way of living at this moment in time, for example?). There is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, as the solutions will always eventually be found that eliminate the causes of issues, however long, or however many lifetimes, it takes. But there ARE Consequences to the Paths chosen. NHS Overdemand and subsequent Collapse. People fearing to step out of their homes. Negative Media reports. Unhappiness and Unfriendliness. Fragility to "Natural Disaster", are just some of the related Consequences. Contentment, and awareness of all the magic that is Life, BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, howsoever simple, is where one ends up, whichever path was taken to get there, when one has simultaneously improved one's ways of thinking about things/one's outlook,and thus one's health, as well as reduced "adverse" impacts to all other things, as well as as then leading a Simple life.

                              If one leads a Life believing that "Life is a Fight", and teaching that, as just one example, then that will rub off on every relationship and action that is taken, and life will feel an uphill struggle. It is not healthy to be this way, or to pass this on (e.g. Karate Kid example). Does a person not mention this then, and leave it be ? If so, we'd certainly have no Police Force, no NHS, no Healers, no Rescue Services, no Military Defence capability, etc. Do we wish to be there to assist the Person involved to view/experience Life in a way that they may ultimately find more relaxing and healthy for them and their relationships, and subsequent actions ? We do not have the right to impose such, absolutely ! But we do have a right to assist that Person in their own Healing by offering a different perspective, and to help recue any "adverse" consequences.

                              As an ANALOGY ONLY (Not stating this about Shaolin Wahnam !!!!!). Should we have let Hitler's Germany continue as it had planned, in the 1930s/40s ? He was both the Leader, and the Elder ? He would not have liked someone to say anything contrary to what he desired, or to the system, and been very angry at this, without doubt! But there would have been "unpleasant" Consequences to allowing the state of affairs to continue. So People did say and do awkward things, and acted against the rules he wished to see observed. Should we let our neighbour beat someone up ? Should we let something happen that will continue to lead to mass Death or Human and other Species, as these consequences were not considered, or were not part of the system to address, etc. We should Accept it, Yes! Absolutely. We should not impose any solution. Yes. Absolutely. But we have every right to offer up alternate Perspectives (Relativity) that might negate the issue occurring. So those alternatives need to be Balanced, or they'll have Consequences.

                              If someone trains in an Art that is skewed, accidently or otherwise, from a basis that is not in tune with Nature's Ways and flow, then there are Mindset/Thought, Decision, and Action Consequences that are far-reaching as a result for the exponent, and all things with whom they interact. Learning Paralysing, Lethal, or generally unpleasant Strikes, is Programmed into us, and are not required when one loves/appreciates the Other Party unconditionally.

                              Hence, in part, my queries.

                              Best Wishes,

                              Chris.

                              And PS. Jordan. I appreciated your time, practice and effort on that Monday evening. I do thank you for this. However, Life is not a Them-and-Us Club (notice this in every War and argument etc.). We are all One. I am you. You are me. That is what a Universe and all things (inc. us) comprised entirely of Chi/God/Dao etc IS !!! So separating Good and Bad, according to one's own perspective at a given moment, is incorrect. It does not exist. I am worthy, I'm just not going in with closed eyes, and have reasons for what I do. I know what feels right as well. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is called UNCONDITIONAL (without Condition/Expectation) LOVE, for a reason by the way, and I hope your Sifu's may teach from this. My wish to select Arts that are more Balanced wo Nature's Principles is not a separation or selection of one over another, it is finding the clearest Guide suitable for the endeavour, without any conditional/expectation on every other art that is taught or exists within or without of it.

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