Powerful Masters?

[George]

Also the fact that the opponents are his students is suspicious and very far from real life "queuing for a hot sausage at 4AM and a horde of big bullies puts their best to humiliate you" situation.[/url]

As a side note, I read a bit of a book on "Empty Force" once and one of the points made there was that the reaction (i.e. being thrown back) is more(?) to do with the target person rather than the person projecting the force. Those more attuned to chi (i.e. trained students) would have a more powerful reaction (e.g. be thrown back further). The suggestion was that the reaction was a way of dissapting the incoming energy and that people who reacted less would suffer more damage, even though they may seem unaffected.

Personally I have no idea how accurate this is - empty force is quite far down on my list of objectives.

.George.

[Antonius]

There was also this thread: http://www.wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382

[Broken link fixed...sorry.]

[cnholmes]

what about touching as a friend or lover?

Isn't that a different sort of energy to martial energy (or the energy used in martial arts) ?

[Sifu Stier]

A Thundering Velvet Touch!

Ovidius ~

You misunderstood, I'm afraid! The electrical repulsion described is 'controlled by the intention of the Master'. Remember, I said that a mental volume control lever of knob, i.e. an internal intensity control, is set up in the mind to avoid problems in normal contact situations. Then, you can bring all of that vast energy to your lover with a Thundering Velvet Touch!

[MoMoJuice]

Hello all,

Thank you for the great posts everyone.


Sifu Stier,

Is this Chi leakage from the Dan Tian something that beginners (like me) have to worry about?

I would not dare practice sitting meditation as Sifu said it's an advanced art and should be practiced only after being learnt from a Master or under a master's supervision.

Shaolin Wahnam Instructors please correct me if I'm wrong, all of Sifu's students practice standing meditation and storing the Chi at the Dan Tian. So maybe that's why he did not mentioned anything about Chi Leakage?

Thank you,
Respectfully,
MoMo.

[Sifu Stier]

Seamless Chi!

MoMo:

Don't think of what I described as 'leakage'. It is not leakage, as would be the energy loss from excessive sexual dissipation, getting drunk, over eating or 'fasting' too long, and so forth. The phenomenon I refer to is a natural occurance of 'filling the cauldron' to its maximum storage capacity. Like an earthen or metal vessel continually receiving more water, for example, the water will overflow when filled to the top. The chi overflow from a full Tan-Tien and fully 'boiling' Lower Heater is necessary at some point in order to circulate the chi throughout the Ching-Luo Meridian Vessel System to the extremities, especially the hands and fingers, but also downward to the feet and upward to the head. And where the chi goes, the blood will follow and visa versa. This process takes quite some time to occur, and usually can't be learned without the instruction and guidance of one who has already completed the training themself, i.e. your Master, so beginners need not be concerned. You may have to find something else to worry about! LOL!

[MoMoJuice]

Dear Sifu Stier,

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I kind of understood what you meant about leakage from your first post. I will give another example of Chi leakage but in Grandmaster Feng Zhiqiang's own words:

"when you have very low stance, qi leaks out from the perineum. There’s no way you would know. When qi leaks out from the perineum you can never sense it. When you have very low stance the angle at the knee is too sharp. Qi doesn’t flow down very easily."

I have one question though, would the student know if his "cauldron" has reached it's maximum capacity?

Thank You,
MoMo.

[Sifu Stier]

Ready to Rumble!

Yes, you'll know when it's full! Tremendous heat and vibration at Tan-Tien, which then spreads to the rest of the body, precedes the overflow. You can't miss it! You'll feel 'electrically charged' from head to toe. I always explain the unexpected 'electrical' phenomenon which regularly manifest in and around me as the by-product of my 'magnetic and electrifying personality'! lol

[Darryl]

Confirmation

If Darryl said that it happened, then I guess it's true

Now there's a dangerous statement

If Sifu Darryl decides to direct us towards his post or to clarify this, then it would be great

I'm just back home now and catching up on various threads (such dedication ), so while I can't remember which thread it's in, I can confirm that Sifu has 'pushed/kicked' me off of him using Force. As to 'Empty Force', I wouldn't say that it was the same thing without a better definition of what everyone is referring to 'Empty Force' as actually being. I just call it Force, manifesting from Internal Force - it could then be used for martial, medical or spiritual purposes, but ultimately it's still energy.

[thomas m]

while I can't remember which thread it's in, I can confirm that Sifu has 'pushed/kicked' me off of him using Force.

I think that it must be this excellent thread.

http://wongkiewkit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2012

I remember it having quite an impact on me

[Andrew]

I think that it must be this excellent thread.

Yes, I think you're right.

I remember it having quite an impact on me

But not as much "impact" as on Darryl I bet

Andrew

[MoMoJuice]

Dear Sifu Stier,

Your explanation helped me understand better now. I'm no where near the level that you are talking about. The heat and vibration that I get is mostly at my hands, arms, feet, sometimes neck and back. The Dan Tian is the place where I feel the least chi, so maybe my tan tian is empty


Welcome back Darryl,

I will post an account of one of the students of master Hong Junsheng, so everyone can have a better idea of the kind of force we are talking about:

"In 1979, when we got to the park we saw a sixth degree black belt Karate master challenging master Hong. Off course the Karate master verbally claimed he just wanted to experience master Hong’s skill. Master Hong agreed to his request. The Karate master asked Hong what method of attack should he use, and master Hong replied: “whatever”. The Karate master went into good Karate posture, aligned his body and thrusted a full powered punch towards Hong’s chest. I only saw Hong reacting with no fear of the danger, opened his eyes looking at the opponent. At the same time the opponent’s feet departed the ground and he flew backwards around 10 feet in distance. The Karate master came back to try again, flew back and landed on the exact same spot. After the third time the Karate master gave up and stopped. Me and my friend Chongliang stepped back several feet shaking our heads in disbelief. We were only able to see master Hong sinking his shoulder slightly, other then that he didn’t do anything. In this fashion to defeat an opponent over and over again, really exerted the high level and true essence of such an extraordinary art."

Thank you all for taking the time to read this. If any of you has seen a master with this ability then please share your experience.

MoMo.

[drunken boxer]

Antonious thanks for the link to the other thread, interesting.
Within that linked thread there is another link to another thread, but doesn't seem to be working now (gives a message regarding the website changing location). Do you know if I can still access it? Thanks.

Back on topic - I asked my master about empty force, if he thought it was possible. He said maybe it is, although he has met some great masters and he has never seen any of them demonstrate this ability.

Grandmaster Feng Zhiqiang says Hu Yaozhen was able to send people flying just by touching them with his finger. He could also repel strikes this way, Master Feng said it felt like he was hitting a wall of chi.

[Andrew]

Within that linked thread there is another link to another thread, but doesn't seem to be working now (gives a message regarding the website changing location). Do you know if I can still access it?

Replace www.wahnam.com with wongkiewkit.com in the url and it should work.

Andrew

[Ovidius]

Intensity control

intensity control, is set up in the mind to avoid problems in normal contact situations.

I was just using common sense. Extraordinary ability usually brings stronger downsides and risks too. Much like nuclear plant, theoretically it is very friendly to nature, but if something goes wrong, it could have devastating effects to nature. And I am sure that the personel, who controls the station, will not intentionally cause things going wrong. There are just situations that "bring out the trouble". Let me take a dance floor example, where people are very often bouncing to each other unintentionally. Even if one thinks "I am not going to mind that", one may still subconsciously mind and react. A kind of reflexes have been created for that. Now someone thinks "How can you see that as a downside?". Well, I still argue that sometimes it could be better to fall down when accidentally pushed from behind. But of course, in another situation that skill of not falling down and projecting energy back to sender could save one from certain death. The point I am trying to make: no skill provides only good results. The same skill can be used "badly", wheter intentionally or unintentionally