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    With Sifu's permission and his blessings, I have been attending Baguazhang classes, and would like to share some of my experiences.

    I went to learn more about the basic training and applications of Baguazhang so I could have an idea how to deal with practitioners of this art, but instead, I came away having been vindicated in all that i have learnt from Sifu.

    It is often the case that when a carpenter opens a toolbox, the only tool he sees is the hammer/screwdriver. Many practitioners (whether in the commercial world or martial arts society) tend to look at things coloured by their own training, knowledge and experience. With that in mind, i was careful to go to the class with an open mind, and not pre-judge it through my Shaolin background.

    Stances

    It is a popular idea, perpetuated in many books and magazines that Baguazhang is "different" from other martial arts in that it does not rely on constant rooting to the ground to fa-jing. It is said that Baguazhang experts can issue tremendous power while on the move, while others have to stay in a solid stance while doing so. Well, another myth shattered. Both through my personal experience during the practical sessions and verbal confirmation from the Grandmaster, I now know that a firm root and waist power is also required in Baguazhang for fa-jing (it is just that it is not necessary for both feet to be on the ground).

    During the practice sessions, I found that my solid stances gave me a distinct advantage over all the other students. I effortlessly held down all my practice partners while few of them could even get a grip on me. I was however effectively trapped by the Dai Siheng of the class, who had good skills and lots of tournament experience (in free-style fighting and other arts). I learnt a lot from being caught in his qin-na grip.

    There was an illuminating example of how important stances are. I was helping a partner to get the technique right by adjusting his stance. He was struggling to counter my "Lohan Tames Tiger" (yes, there is an identical move in BGZ!) with no success. I simply told him to relax into his stance and then move from his waist. To my surprise, I was almost thrown off my feet when he did just as I said. If even an untrained person can fell an opponent with a stance and waist rotation, can you imagine the power we can unleash if we use our patiently-trained advantages?

    Picture-perfect form

    Baguazhang has some of the most beautiful patterns I have ever seen, and with some hindsight, they are so perfectly designed for combat that they can be used as they are without modifications (unlike Taijiquan which tend to morph the patterns in the formal sets). When the master showed the application the most common pattern in a counter-qinna move, a lightbulb went off in my head, and several other patterns began to make sense.

    A few years ago, when I was attending my intensive Taijiquan course with Sifu, he kept repeating a crucial point. "Just do the form". He explained that the form was crystallised by masters who have used the pattern in real combat and all we had to do was to use it. This came alive for me during this session as I noted how the placement of the hands and legs were exactly as in the Circle-Walking postures. Applying the posture any other way would have meant discarding the advantages that the posture had. (This does not mean that the form is dead. By my use of the words “exact”, I meant that they are instantly recognizable as that Baguazhang posture, even if the height of the hands / arms are different from the usual form practice)

    One thing that quite surprised me was how easily I could counter my practice partners' moves, while I had considerably more difficulty doing so with my training partners during Sifu's courses. Sometimes, I think we take for granted Sifu's amazing success with his teaching methodology. Because my training partners at the intensive courses have all been well-trained by Sifu, it is not easy for me to find a weakness in their attack or defence. Against less well-trained opponents, i had a distinct advantage. To be fair, most of my classmates were relatively inexperienced, and it was obvious that they had never trained zhan zhuang at all. Nonetheless, I was once again fortified in my belief that if we practice diligently as we have been taught in our intensive kungfu / Taijiquan courses, we can handle black-belts in free sparring from other arts, just as Sifu often tells us.

    Using qi flow

    Long ago, when Jeffrey wrote his very helpful series of posts on Breathing methods, I was already trying to pin down exactly what is meant by platinum card kungfu. I know the meaning, having experienced the power of our Shaolin Cosmos Qigong, but the definition I was seeking or even concrete examples eluded me. But I now have a perfect illustration of platinum card kungfu in practice.

    During a class, we were shown us a difficult palm change which no one had learnt yet. I had seen this before in video clips but was totally lost then. When the master demonstrated it, I consciously relaxed and focused on the movements. The second time the movement was shown, I had it imprinted. So, while the other students were gaping in bewilderment, I closed my eyes, and "asked" my qi to just do it. I then proceeded to execute the movement as the teacher had done (but not as picture-perfect - so I have some way to go in learning to use my card ).

    When I first learnt qi flow, I thought it was primarily for cleansing blockages and promoting energy flow. Little did I know it can be so wondrous, acting as an organic camera and self-teaching tool.

    Sifu's generosity and teaching

    The fact I could pick up so much so quickly has little to do with my own ability (I am, in my own honest assessment, quite the klutz). My progress can be directly attributed to Sifu, who from Day 1, transmitted the highest skills to me and other students. All that was necessary was to practice, practice and practice.

    I must of course caveat that I am not an advanced practitioner of Baguazhang, but I think my preliminary experiences can provide an idea of the common core in all genuine internal martial arts. True, training methods and even philosophy may differ from art to art, but practising an art like Shaolin Cosmos Qigong with platinum card benefits can really accelerate anything we learn.

    Incidentally, you may wish to check out this issue of Sifu's Q&A regarding Baguazhang.
    百德以孝为先
    Persevere in correct practice

  • #2
    Good on you, sir.

    This promises to be excellent reading. My previous teacher told me "When practitioners become close-minded that's when the evolution of kung fu comes to a screeching halt."

    It is fortunate indeed that open-minded teachers like Sifu Wong are still around. In the spirit of this, I believe I will start a journal thread to chronicle my Yiquan practice. I hope that you do not mind me copying you, as I have become rather excited with the prospect.
    "That is a very good question!" -Sifu

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    • #3
      All Martial Arts Originated From Shaolin

      天下武功出少林

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      • #4
        It is a popular saying but not accurate from a historical perspective. Strictly speaking, kungfu was institutionalised at the Shaolin temple, rather than originating from it. There was, before Shaoin, other martial arts, and also martial arts that thrived outside Shaolin. Sifu's answer here gives a good summary (he has loads more similar articles in his Q&A). Incidentally, this view is shared by other authoritative sources and masters.

        A selection of answers provided by Sifu Wong Kiew Kit to questions asked by the public on Shaolin Kungfu, Chi Kung, Taijiquan and Zen


        HI Michael

        Please feel free to write about your Xingyi experiences. I began this post to share how my Shaolin training helped me to do things other than Shaolinquan better than if I did not have my Shaolin Cosmos Qigong foundation (in this case, basic Baguazhang).
        百德以孝为先
        Persevere in correct practice

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        • #5
          Dear Uncle,

          I am interested in learning more about your benefits from practicing Baguazhang.

          Best Wishes,

          Adam

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          • #6
            Article and Interview on Bagua Zhang

            Dear Family,

            I found this article to be very profound and useful.

            Tai Chi Chuan, Chi Kung, Kung Fu, Wu Shu, Nei Jia, wudang, Wudang, taoism, taijiquan, baguazhang, xingyiquan, xinyiquan, qigong, pakua chang, hsing i chuan, martial arts, chinese martial arts, China news, news from China, martial arts news from China, wingtsunkuen, wing tsun kuen, wing chun, bajiquan, pa chi chuan, shaolin, vcds, VCDs, vcd, VCD, DVD, dvd, DVDs, dvds


            It is an interview with a great Chinese Bagua Zhang Master.

            Best,

            Ray
            "Om"

            I pay homage to all the great masters of the past and the present

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            • #7
              Ray,

              I really enjoyed that article.

              I noticed he doesn't believe Shaolin Kung-fu to have the same internal potential as Bagua. This is of course likely because of the Shaolin he has been exposed to.

              I also noticed he was very adamant about abstaining from sex.

              All in all it was an excellent article and interview!
              "Take a moment to feel how wonderful it feels just to be alive."
              - Sifu

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              • #8
                Excellent articles indeed.

                I thought this was a very important point:

                JS: Did you study Taijiquan?

                MR.MA: Yes, I learnt Shanxi Taijiquan from my teacher (Li Ziming); I also learnt a bit from Gao Ziying and Bao Zhang's son, Han Lanyu. Once you really master one martial art than it is very easy to learn other styles. Learning hundreds of techniques and routines is useless. We call it "Once one is mastered all are understood" (Yi Tong Bai Tong).
                Doesn't it sounds like what Ho Sigung told Sifu years ago Check this post by Mike out.

                MR.MA: No, you have to open the Large Heavenly Circle so that Qi can reach your hands. This also takes time and you have to think first - use Intent (Yi) - to drive Qi to the hands. Once Qi follows your Intent, the next step is to be able to move Qi without any conscious effort. The Qi will behave like mercury - once you strike with the hand it immediately flows from out of Dantian, waist, and reaches the hand. The hand will be felt by the opponent as very heavy. Only at this moment you can start learning Bagua techniques and movements.
                I hesitate to write this paragraph as others may think I am boasting about Shaolin Wahnam. But I have come across many, many books and articles that mention this point about how being able to feel your qi and to direct it is a pre-requisite to learning the higher levels of an art. Yet, I was able to direct my qi at will within the third day of my intensive course with Sifu. Even my some of own students are able to do the same after only 6 weeks of qigong training (one of them could do it almost immediately after I taught him). Acquiring the skill came so easily that I have always wondered why other schools made such a big deal out of it. Then, I realised that the ease with which I acquired the skill was attributed wholly to how Sifu transmitted his skill to us. After Sifu transmitted the skill to me, and after long practice with it, I was able to direct my qi as I liked, and now, even transmit the skill myself.

                This is not to say that being able to direct one's qi makes one an expert in other martial arts. BUt it does shorten the learning curve tremendously and sets up the essential foundation for higher levels.

                I agree with Alex that Master Ma's view of Shaolin is influenced by his exposure. My own experience, as detailed in this thread, is that my Shaolin Cosmos practice has enhanced my learning of any art, including Taijiquan and Baguazhang. But ultimately, one must practice, practice, practice, just as Sifu, Master Ma, and all masters have advised.
                百德以孝为先
                Persevere in correct practice

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