Powerful Masters?

[George]

Originally Posted by Ovidius

And I am sure that the personel, who controls the station, will not intentionally cause things going wrong.

I have a feeling that you are looking at it from a wrong angle. The big advantage of this sort of force (and one of the main things that makes something like Cosmos Palm superior to Iron Palm) is that you have to intend to _cause damage_, rather than intend not to cause it.

As for being startled into accidentally using it - by the time you are able to use you should have already developed your mind to the point where this will not happen.

That's my take on it anyway, which is not yet based on direct experience.

[Ovidius]

Originally Posted by George

I have a feeling that you are looking at it from a wrong angle.

Hahhaha, yes, but not very many people see this from this angle, do they? For example, when it is dark, "Dave" is walking on a pavement and intent to cross the street, but then suddenly someone pushes very firmly to Dave's back, but he doesn't move an inch since he is a Taijiquan master. Dave feels it, looks quickly behind, and a truck driven by a drunken madman drives over his mortal form. The end of Dave. The agressive push from a fellow citizen was intended to save his life, and in this context, Dave's skill was counter protective. This is what I ment.

As for being startled into accidentally using it - by the time you are able to use you should have already developed your mind to the point where this will not happen.

Good point, but still I believe, all kinds of "Pilot errors" happen even to the most trained people Also the power of the dark side should not be underestimated, for example, the using of telekinesis ability gained from Empty Force training at the casino.

That's my take on it anyway, which is not yet based on direct experience.

Actually mine is, I make (simple) mistakes all the time But I still have my life, and vivid imagination, which is good, I guess...

[drunken boxer]

I have just read the other thread. Perhaps its wrong to raise something from it again in this thread, if so I apologise, but the names etc have been removed from the old one.

Anthony said something which made me laugh, I think there was both humour and a serious message in it, it was something like:

"Am I willing to spend 40 years of amazingly dedicated practice and meditation to acquire the necessary force and skill required to do something that a $150 handgun could also accomplish? Not likely. Were there great masters willing to devote such time in the past? Very likely."

I have to admit that if I thought I could do it, I would consider trying! (Yes, I need to get a life

Reason being that, if for example in this country someone broke into my house and attempted to shoot me, if I were to use the $150 dollar handgun to administer a little lead poisoning (get my revenge in first), I would go to jail!

Howerver imagine the prosecuting lawyer "this man killed my client with 'empty force' your honour", the judge would say "take this lawyer to a psychiatrist, and tell him to be grateful I don't do him for contempt of court, case closed"

[MoMoJuice]

Originally Posted by drunken boxer

Grandmaster Feng Zhiqiang says Hu Yaozhen was able to send people flying just by touching them with his finger. He could also repel strikes this way, Master Feng said it felt like he was hitting a wall of chi.

Hu Yaozhen was a great master of Xingyiquan and Chi Kung. But his "Chi" finger didn't help him much when he had a fight with Zhang Qinlin (Yang Tai Chi Chuan master), he was easily defeated. Zhang Qinlin was a disciple of Yang Jianhou, he supposidly got secret transmissions from him.

The great Chen Mancheng was another master who was easily defeated by Zhang Qinlin. But after his defeat he learned for a short time under him, and so improved his skills a lot.

Master Wang Yen-nien, Zhang Qinlin's student, lives and teaches in Taiwan, he is 90 years old now but says he wants to live till 180

Later...
MoMo.

[drunken boxer]

Hello Momo,

Hu Yaozhen was 137yrs old when they fought! Sorry, couldn't resist that was a quote from "Coming to America"!

I have only read small pieces of information on Hu Yaozhen, could you tell me where you read about this? I'm always trying to read more about him but I can't find much on the web.

Thanks.

[MoMoJuice]

Originally Posted by drunken boxer

Hello Momo,
I have only read small pieces of information on Hu Yaozhen, could you tell me where you read about this? I'm always trying to read more about him but I can't find much on the web.
Thanks.

Dear drunken boxer,

Looking at the dates of when those two masters were born, Hu Yaozhen (1879) was 8 years older than Zhang Qinlin (1887). When they fought ("around" 1935, but no exact dates!) Hu was in his fifties and Zhang was in his forties.

Some links:
You probably saw thit first website, it's about Feng Zhiqiang and his two masters, Hu Yao Zhen and Chen Fake.
http://www.chinafrominside.com/ma/ta...interview.html

This link has info about Zhang Qinlin and how he trained with the Yang family, it also mentions the fight with Hu.
http://aymta.org/Journal/ZQLpt1.html

I'll post more stuff later, take care.
MoMo.

[MoMoJuice]

More about Hu Yaozhen in the words of his student Grandmaster Feng Zhiqian:

"Grandmaster Hu, on the other hand was called “the God of Fist” [Translator's clarification: The God of Martial Arts] His level of achievement was also very well known, not only in martial arts, but also in Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Traditional Medicine. There was an aura... he gave out a visible aura when he meditates. His scholarship in Confucianism was very well known, his definition of Kindness, Righteousness, Way/Truth, Virtue was considered to be the best in the field. His knowledged of medicine is also very, very deep. I have seen two or three patients who came to visit him, and they were so ill they couldn’t walk any more, they basically came in a cart. Master Hu just poked two needles into them and they all walked home by themselves. Those patients called him the God-doctor. He wasn't just using needles when giving acupuncture, he used his qi, and he drove it all the way into the patient. Sometimes he could foretell things before they happened. There are certain things I probably should not tell you today, but I would say one thing: Master Hu is not a normal person. For example, I was introduced to Master Chen Fa Ke by Master Hu. I told Master Hu, “I don’t like Taiji.” But Master Hu said, “His Taiji is good.” So I asked Master Hu, “How come you know his Taiji is good?” Master Hu said, “Well I don’t know him yet.” At that time they didn’t know each other. Then I asked, “In that case how do you know his Taiji is good?” Master Hu said, “I’ve seen him at night,” without saying anything further. My theory is that he was able to do some sort of out-of-body visit when he was meditating. Master Hu basically persuaded me to go and see Master Chen. “You just go and have a look-see. If you like it, I’ll write a letter of recommendation for you.” So I went to visit Master Chen, and I was very, very impressed. So that’s how I meet Master Chen and joined his school. So it was through Master Hu's introduction that I get to know Master Chen Fa Ke."

Laterz...
MoMo.

[MoMoJuice]

Hi Ovidius,

I thought you might find it of interest that master Hu YaoZhen is also listed as a student of Yiquan creator the great Wang Xiangzhai. So I think he most likely studied with him for a short time.

I have a question, are the two sons of the late Yao Zongxun considered to be the best experts in the art?

Take care,
MoMo.