Xingyiquan

[Daoist]

• So originally the five fists were practiced purely as chi kung for 'chi gong purposes' (solely for health?)
• It was called 'thunder fist' because of foot stamping that sounded like thunder.
• Despite the name and the stamping, it had no martial usage at this stage?

All the best and thanks for the info

Robin

I asked my Sifu that same question and he insisted that it was an exercise for the organs. Each element corresponds to certain organs and benefits them.

I mentioned before that there are 3 stages that the elements go through. First is the soft stage. The fists are long and soft to encourage smooth chi flow. Second is the soft/hard stage where the movements are soft and long, then force is added to the movement with a soft stomp with the front and back foot. Third and last; the movements are fast and short, with a break between each repetition to gather chi.

This last stage surely has fighting application and I believe it was designed for such. Although, the benefit that the organs receive are actually more noticable at the last stage than the first or second. So it could go either way. The daoist monks were more concerned with longevity and spiritual practices than fighting, so this is the point of view of my Sifu.

*On a side note, the character Lie refers to the stamping of the feet as well as the chi. The chi moves and shocks like thunder when these elements are performed. In several daoist chi gongs, the character Lie is in the name, and refers to the strong flow of chi that results from its practice.

[Daoist]

Sir; please can you tell me only if you want have the Martial Art you train call Lie Chuan something to do with this style call: Lei Huai Quan ?
http://wongkiewkit.com/forum/showpos...1&postcount=93

I have never heard of Lei Huai Quan. There aren't many styles with "Lei" in the name, so that is interesting.

I understand! So sorry again if i ask:

Is that allow for you sir to put info on the internet or here about were we can find your school in USA or any other info that someone in USA can see with his own eyes and train in your School? or is your school to special people only?

By the way, anyone can ask me anything. The worst that can happen is that I say "I can't answer that". I am on this forum mainly for fun, and to learn more about the Shaolin martial arts, which I have always admired.

I do not teach and for personal reasons I can't speak of my location. That sounds weird doesn't it ? I have never had a student, but when I do teach the art someday I doubt I will open a school.

Sir; is it true that there is a Martial Art call Celestial Immortal Kung Fu? there the Celestial Immortal Taoist Masters, that had train long time ago in maybe Huashan, Emei etc had the power to use their long Qi Gong training in Martial Arts skills if it was nessesary?

I have never heard of "Celestial Immortal Kung Fu" per se. One of the oldest Daoist sects is called Tianshi Dao (Celestial Master Way, or Way of the Celestial Masters). Daoist kung fu dates back that far (100 - 200 A.D.), at least the internal alchemy part. I believe these masters had kung fu fighting skill.

[Phoenix]

I have never heard of Lei Huai Quan. There aren't many styles with "Lei" in the name, so that is interesting.

I don't want to put the info here about Thunder Mind School but i send you a private message.

[Phoenix]

I have never heard of "Celestial Immortal Kung Fu" per se. One of the oldest Daoist sects is called Tianshi Dao (Celestial Master Way, or Way of the Celestial Masters). Daoist kung fu dates back that far (100 - 200 A.D.), at least the internal alchemy part. I believe these masters had kung fu fighting skill.

I understand that you can not say the location of your school, i just hope maybe i or people from all over the world, is allow buy you sir when you are a teacher (Sifu) of your style to train with you in USA or maybe even better you have some dream to have some seminars in many countries in this world?

I also belive that Many Masters of "High" Immortality Taoist have the power of kung fu skills, there is even Celestial Immortals even today that had learn skills of kung fu and qi gong power, i send a private message more about this, so this thread don't get to much on other things, so it stays more about the subject Xingyiquan

Thank you for ever Sir; Daoist !!