"Microcosmic" Discussion with "Wu Jing"

[Dougie]

Fascinating thread

Thanks for your posts Wu Jing, i've really enjoyed them

Sifu Marcus - your post on this thread really resonated with me. When i found Wahnam i was in a pretty dark place. I seeked it partly through fear i guess but deep down i knew there was a bigger, more complete reason.

All i can say is that through practising Chi Kung regularly i can function better from day to day. I work in a stress ridden call centre where targets are all that matter and i have felt a huge difference. I can reach those targets without blowing a fuse now. At home i am much more mellowed and yet i have barely scratched the surface of Shaolin Cosmos Chi Kung.

Al the Best
Dougie

[Wu Jing]

Nei kung is not for everyone

To be perfectly honest, I am not surprised. For our Chi Kung system, the basic requirement is 2 sessions of 15 minutes' practice daily with almost no special restrictions. Considering the wonderful benefits that brings, it would take a heck of a lot to persuade me to traing 8 hours a day .... not to mention the other "restrictions".

Nei kung is not for everyone. There has to be an exchange to develop these type of abilities. 8hs a day is not required but i did it because i was pressed for time read some of my other posts and there are various skills to develop. The Thunder Mind school is a school of internal power. Which is nothing like a shaolin or wushu school. We practice our internal power exercises as much as a regular school practices forms. Every exercise we have is a meditative one even the forms and push hands. In the thunder mind school our specialty is the speed of your internal power. For exapmle if you and i were at the same level and i could project a thousand blasts of internal power a second and you could only project a hundred blasts of internal power a second i would be the victor. Why? because i can release more internal power in a shorter amount of time and my mind is literally ten times faster than yours(hence the name of the school). You see the speed of the circulations in our school is just not done as a cool trick there is a real reason behind it.

[Wu Jing]

Lei huai quan

Yes i googled the name and nothing came up so it is safe to say the name of my style which is Lei Huai Quan. The minimum required amount of time that is required in our school is actually 4hrs a day(and that is just in the beginning) i just have my students do more in the beginning so that they are more powerful than average. In our school the more you practice the better you become. All the major schools of internal power know that the chi has to be transmuted into internal power. Even when you condense chi in the dantian it is not the same as it was before it is condensed chi and that energy is as bit different than the normal chi that most chi kung practioners use.

[Marcus]

Hi Dougie,

I'm glad my post resonated with you. I find with every day that passes I feel physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually stronger and better. I don't know what I'd do without my 15 minutes Shaolin Cosmos Chi Kung practise twice a day. So much for such a little investment where else do you get that? I still thank my lucky stars for the day I discovered Sifu's www.shaolin.org webpage.

Keep practising!

Kindest regards
Marcus
Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha Namo Amitabha Buddha

[Charles David]

Wu Jing,

You wrote:

The Thunder Mind school is a school of internal power. Which is nothing like a shaolin or wushu school.

You are greatly mistaken if you think that Shaolin Kung Fu does not train internal force.


Still,


Charles

[Wu Jing]

charles

Charles,

You misunderstand. I was simply stating that our schools our different i never made any assumptions about your practice and i did not refer to the Wahnam school specfically. And i never said the Wahnam school does not practice or use internal force(and what we use in our school is not internal force). I appericate your candor for your school but please stick to the facts and stop trying to make me the enemy. I am your friend. If you could please be so kind tell me a little about your internal force training. I would love to discuss it with you and trade notes. Thank you

and ,

Mr Chalmers have a great day!

[8nsteen8]

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Wu jing,

Here are two quotes from your recent posts:

We practice our internal power exercises

what we use in our school is not internal force

In your school what is the difference between internal force and internal power.

Sincerely,
/Niklas

[Wu Jing]

8nsteen8

8nsteen8,


So i can answer your question correctly what do you mean by internal force?



Wujing

[George]

Hi Wu Jing,

I am interested of how you increase your bodies store capacity.

As I understand, one of the functions of the secondary meridians that form the micro and macro-cosmic flow is to act as a reserve of energy that the primary meridians can draw on. Therefore, through enhancing these meridians their storage capacity will be improved.

Also, when I practice (Small Universe) it feels like the channel is not fixed in width. Based on that I can speculate that the channel "width" can increase and thus offer even more storage capacity. This is just a theory that seems to make sense to me - I don't spend a lot of time thinking about this, to be honest.

Do you do normal or reverse breathing?

The initial training to open the Small Universe flow involved several different types of breathing, including reverse breathing.

I have also done the exercise you mentioned, but I haven't practiced it for some time - it did not feel very good (an important criteria we have for assessing if our practice is correct), but that could have been me not performing it correctly. As it is, the exercise served its purpose at the time and there are others that I can practice that feel feel (to me) much better.

This exercise is called 3 Dantians Linear

This is very similar to the exercise we perform at the start of every practice, but without the visualisations. A definite "feel good" exercise and very beneficial.

The alignment is very important in our Chi Kung and in our Kungfu practice. It also extends further than the physical or energetic alignment - as I mentioned before, moral and spiritual alignment is an essential component.

I will tell you this that we do have what i call losers in our style. People who take forever to develop their internal power. To the undedicated it could take years. i don't see why they just don't get the training done because after your internal power develops you have an interesting life from then on. But sometimes when someone gets exactly what they were searching for they don't do the work. Even i have had people i tried to train who just promised me that they would be the best student ever but when i mention the six months of sperm retention and hours of daily work they don't seem that interested. I find it interesting i feel that the little sacrifices is nothing when compared to what you get. And a chance to learn something like this does not come that often.

I see what you mean, but it is not a path for everyone.

To take myself as an example: I do not feel ready to dedicate my life to my practice just yet. Instead, I practice so that my life is enhanced. Yes, I could achieve fantastic results (I've certainly seen plenty of people who have), but then I would have to give up the things that I am focusing on at the moment. I am very fortunate to practice an Art that allows for this, otherwise I really would be missing out (and that would suck - my practice is what helps my life be so awesome! )

It is great that you are able and willing to put in so much time and dedication into your practice, but different people have different aims and objectives. Perhaps to them their life is already interesting.


Best wishes,

[Charles David]

Dear Wu Jing,

Please excuse me if I have misunderstood; I was not aware of a distinction between the terms force and power. I look forward to you articulating the difference between the two.

As far as sticking to the facts goes, I was simply quoting you and asserting that you were mistaken.

As far as making you an enemy: you are the one who is mistaken; I am simply engaging you on a point. You are claiming knowledge of Shaolin Kung Fu and I am questioning that knowledge.

As far as you being my friend, thank you for your efforts.

Regarding my internal force training. I train twice daily as follows:

One half-hour to forty-five minutes in the morning: Dynamic Chi Kung Patterns, Chi Flow, Zhan Zhuang (Horse Stance, Golden Bridge), the Art of Flexible Legs, Floating Breeze Swaying Willows, Small Universe, Standing Meditation.

One half-hour to forty-five minutes in the evening: Dynamic Chi Kung, Chi Flow, One Finger Zen, Sparring/Sets/Sequences, Chi Flow, Standing Meditation.

My practice brings me health, happiness and prosperity; combat proficiency and spiritual joy. I am filled with gratitude everyday for the benefits that our art has brought me. (I have indeed had a great day!) My internal force gives me the energy to enjoy my life in a way that I never did before.

If you continue to insist that Shaolin Arts do not cultivate internal power, I am very curious as to what you mean by that and how you claim this knowledge.


Still,
With All My Best,



Charles

[Yiannis]

Physics 101

Power is the amount of energy required or expended for a given unit of time.

Force is is whatever can cause an object with mass to accelerate.

[8nsteen8]

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Wu jing,

So i can answer your question correctly what do you mean by internal force?

I cant see how this is relevant for you to explain the difference of force and power. If you dont want to answer, its fine with me.

Sincerely,
/Niklas

[Wu Jing]

I do not mind answering questions

Ok,

First i would like to say.

If there doubts in your minds and questions that is only natural. I understand. I know what i practice is real. I am more than happy to answer questions. You see this must happen it is unavoidible. I know that the only way to have a good relationship is by answering questions to the best of my ability. So that is what i will do. But keep it respectful please. I am a very direct person i do not imply or any crap like that if i wanted to insult you i would and there would be no questions about it. Once again please do not misunderstand.

There is a lot to address so let me get started.

George,

Thank you for expanding on some of the theory of your practice. The theory behind your chi kung sounds logical. I hoped you liked the 3 dantians linear exercise. It is not one of a kind but just a different technique you can use. Oh and the people in our system that either never acheive their internal power or take forever to activate it. Do not get a lot of respect in the style because in our school that is step one with out that step you can not progress in the system. They would be better off just practicing something else. I agree with you George that period of six months sucks but there is no way around it but once you have your internal power your life and MA practice is just fantastic. I wouldn't give it up for the world.


Charles,

I respect your candor for your school but i still have no idea where you are coming from. I never said that Shaolin does not practice energy arts. I know they do. Shaolin is the start of it all. The Shaolin practices it all. And since you asked i will tell i have taken kung fu before. I studied wing chun, wushu, and pukalan kung fu. I have studied tai chi and xingyiquan too. I have been to a external school an internal school and a school of nei kung. And they are all different in their approach that was my point. In a nei kung school you do not start with forms you start with numerous meditative exercises it is a whole different animal. If you have any questions i would be more than happy to answer them. Have a great day!

8nsteen8,

Wu jing,

Quote:
So i can answer your question correctly what do you mean by internal force?
I cant see how this is relevant for you to explain the difference of force and power. If you dont want to answer, its fine with me.

Sincerely,
/Niklas

In some schools they have terms that means different things to the public. Niklas if i did not want to answer your question i would not have responded. The term internal force could mean a few things like

1. the internal pressure inside the body.
2. the strength of the flow of chi.
3. and possibly empty force.

I could give you an answer but it could be inaccurate. It is never a bad idea to ask a question. Now i will give you an answer to your original question. Internal force in our school you could say is

1. the amount of internal pressure you have in your system.
2. with continued work and the pressure being maintained the practioner would have better and stronger chi flow.
3. the better and stronger the flow of chi the stronger your presence or force is in the world.
4. A stronger yi because we exercise it a lot.
5. being denser because the more energy you have the more energy you can draw in. Because it goes both ways not just how much force you can excert be how much force can you draw in.

Internal power is

Transmuted chi that can be used effectively. Internal power can also mean the skillful use of internal power. The point being if you and i had internal power but i could do various things with my internal power and you couldn't the odds of me winning the fight is in my favor. So the skill of having which is like it's own internal power because i can do things or skills with it.

I do not know if this answered your question but i gave it a shot. Please do not assume i will always rise to the challenge.

Thanks for the questions

As always it has been a pleasure

Wu Jing

[Mazeppa]

Sorry... about the meaning of "yi", is it "will" in English?

[Wu Jing]

Charles and George

Hi, guys i feel that i did not give you a long enough answer to your questions.

So here we go.


George,

I agree with you that the micro and macro circulations do increase the width of the governing and conception vessels and there for increase the bodies ability to store more chi. Vessel strengthening is a very popular and wise practice in some internal schools. I know of this one internal school where strengthening the vessels with chi so that it over flows into the dantian is there main practice for storing chi in the dantian. Because they feel that focusing on the dantian is somewhat useless in the beginning because if your vessels are not adequete with chi the danitan will supply the vessel in need with chi so they fill up the vessels. They are very powerful. In most schools that i have seen their vessel training consist mainly of standing meditation and microcosmic circulation. Thank you for your reply.

Charles,

The time you spend on your daily private practice is good. You are a very sincere student. I watched all the Wahnam videos on youtube that i could find so i could be some what educated on the subject. I am curious about one thing maybe you can help me with this. Why do you practice twice a day? Is there an energy reason why or is it just better time management? Couldn't you just have one long practice session or do you have to break it up? I practice my daily energy routines twice a day but this is because i like to train i could do one long session if i chose. But there is a minimum amount of time that each exercise should be practiced is this the same in your system? Please do not misunderstand i am just curious. Have a great day!

Mazeppa,

Yi is intent and or will.