The benefits of Internal Force are not only for combat

[Andy]

I recommend you guys read some stuff from both old, and modern metaphysicists, as well as Quantum theorists. Even science. You will find that its the same ideas and concepts that the Chinese have had for centuries if not Millenia!

You really are an arrogant fellow, Baguamonk!

[Baguamonk1]

Dude I wasn't trying to be arrogant or even annoying. It should be a compliment. I think it is, to me it is astounding that we are only beginning to understand things from a more logical/scientific point of view (and even theory) of things that have existed in Chinese philosophy and culture for ages....It goes to show just how advanced (no matter how simple) these methods, and traditions are...I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

I have only started acting like an ass because of the constant attacks, for sharing only personal opinions. I was not trying to do that. I complimented you...and I am an arrogant person? Again, that was not the intention of what I was trying to say...

[Michael Durkin]

Old & New

It is fascinating that what modern scientists are discovering today, like quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particles, were experienced and documented centuries ago by awakened individuals in the traditions of Shaolin, for example.

Reading sutras that describe other realms of existence, the existence of self and what the universe is made up of has interesting parallels to what modern science is re-discovering today.

Sifu has taken steps to harness modern science, and speaks in a language that westerns will better understand, due to his use of modern scientific terms (as that is what westerners are more used to). This school has an excellent appreciation of both "old" and "new" knowledge, east and west philosophy.

I feel the way certain people view and discover something "new" is just another angle, or perspective, of how something always has been. The "modern", or "new" perspective can be enhanced, or work in a complementary fashion with "old" understandings, and vice-versa. There is a lot modern science can learn from "old" knowledge and experience.

[shaolin_mike]

You really are an arrogant fellow, Baguamonk!

Hey Andy Im not sure there was any need for that...While Im not about to wade through loads of quantum science books I dont feel baguamonk showed arrogance in that statement.

Respectfully
Mike

[Michael Durkin]

I have only started acting like an ass because of the constant attacks, for sharing only personal opinions. I was not trying to do that. I complimented you...and I am an arrogant person? Again, that was not the intention of what I was trying to say...

Thank you for your complement Baguamonk1, I'm glad you enjoyed reading the article. But there is no need to start acting like an ass anywhere on this forum.

What probably disturbed Andy was when you said that (paraphrased) "you recommend we should research modern material, and realise that it has similarities to the "old" material we have read". As I said Baguamonk1, Shaolin Wahnam has an excellent understanding of "old" and "new" understandings, east and west. Two examples of which, which I recommend to you , are these two books :

The Art of Chi Kung
The Complete Book of Zen

Enjoy,

[Baguamonk1]

I think he thought that I meant to say something like "There is no need for Chinese classical philosophy because modern scientists have discovered way more than it could possibly have to offer!"

When I actually meant the opposite, that is all. Just a mis-understanding I believe.

And thanks for recommendation, I have only read one of the books, but they are very good. Very informative.

The evidence that these spiritual enhancing processes have worked for so long, without even a logical way of understanding it, is a testament to how advanced, and how far ahead of their time they were. It is a shame that alot of our modern society and culture forgets, disdains, and even criticizes spiritual cultivation of ANY kind..We are only just barely begiinning to scratch the surface of things like this, and all the people who think that its "Crazy people talk" or "theory," in 100 years it will probably be the norm. I believe 200 years ago we didn't even know the biological difference between a rock and a blade of grass!

[Darryl]

200 years ago we didn't even know the biological difference between a rock and a blade of grass!

Cows eat rocks?

I took Andy's meaning differently. I presumed that he was stunned you bothered to advise people to do something they have already done, maybe even before you were born (in a literal sense).

But that's my point.

[Baguamonk1]

Notice I said "biological" difference. The actual biological makeup, of either one was unknown to us. Yeah sure we could look and taste it and see that there was a clear and distinct difference, but what actually made it 'different' was unknown to us.

Besides there is nothing wrong with that, I am not telling the forum to go read because they don't know/are ignorant. Perhaps those who have not gone out and read some stuff might be interested in doing so. Who cares? Its a comment, not an attack or an indirect suggestion to anyone because of a lacking of knowledge.

[Akemi]

Clarity

Baguamonk1,

I think you were trying to make a point by being dramatic, but it doesn't help your case that your words are unclear and could be considered untrue.

Aristotle began work on Biology around 340BC.

If you are talking about Genetics (which wouldn't make sense, considering you were talking about a rock,) that would fit your 200 year timeline. Mendel began his work in 1865.

If you mean, 200 years ago we wouldn't be able to tell the difference in the elements between a rock and a blade of grass, you're wrong. Scientific elements began to be discovered around 1650, and plenty of work was done in the 18th century.

What did you mean? Your explanation of your words didn't make things clear for me.

Regards,

[Andy]

Dude I wasn't trying to be arrogant or even annoying. It should be a compliment. I think it is, to me it is astounding that we are only beginning to understand things from a more logical/scientific point of view (and even theory) of things that have existed in Chinese philosophy and culture for ages....It goes to show just how advanced (no matter how simple) these methods, and traditions are...I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say.

No problem Baguamonk - I think I did misinterpret - it just seemed from your post that you were telling rather than advising. I think most of the members here have already spent a lot of time pondering such issues.

Sifu's books are very enlightening on these topics.

Cheers

Andy

[joko]

No problem Baguamonk - I think I did misinterpret - it just seemed from your post that you were telling rather than advising.

Good point, Andy.

Yes, there is a huge difference between telling (informing) and advising.

Well, sometimes telling can be intrepreted as advising, too, or, even to demand, to order.

Oh, ... words .....

[Luo Lang]

from a more logical/scientific point of view (and even theory) of things that have existed in Chinese philosophy and culture for ages

Why do they exist?

[Baguamonk1]

Even Vanessas post was used as nother means to attack me on the other thread.

What I was trying to illustrate was that our concept of science now, was even completely different from as little as 200 years ago. And it evolving and expanding so much quicker, can you imagine how little we know now? I was trying to give Chinese philosophy and its benefits a compliment, but instead it is only used to fuel more fire.

[Baguamonk1]

I believe a more appropiate term perhaps would of been a "stone and a frog." Yes we had the ability to see things we had never seen before (thanks to a little nifty invention in mid 1600's), things at the microscopic level, but we had not yet classified, or fully understood what was happening.The discovery of the nucleus further evolved our understanding. What I mean by knowing the difference, is actually having a bigger, and much more full grasp of what is happening. When we started observing the cell-dividing process, genetics, and the general structure that most biological organisms possessed, I think is when we can say a much bigger understanding happened.This happened within the last 200 years, lets say from 1800-2000. I do not mean to say that we had not seen, or observed these things before.

More appropiately, I should have said that in the past 200 years we have discovered things, which any time before then, we would of never imagined.

[yeniseri]

life is like that

Baguamonk1,

As I have been called "low level" in many things by some, I have learnt to take that a way to practice compassion and thoughtfulness, despite the truth. What you was a reflection so please do not take it at all. No worries.

Depsite my skill being called "low level", in Daoist circle (I am far from being a Daoist), I was taught that:
"The high level practitioner cultivates his shen,
the middling level cultivate his qi
the low level cultivates jing".

I will admit that I could have made the above saying up but being calm is a work in progress.
peace out and smile from the the pores of your being!