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i would like to understand what is so special in CFQ.
i am reading the book, the manual. there are 7 simple ordinary exercises, exercises that exist in other sets of qigong exercises.
maybe im missing something.
also the theory is not new.
so what is the justification / rational of taking a few ordinary exercises and make a "new form", a "new method" and to present it as an ultimate method of healing?
It's an interesting question. I have met Master Yap (the founder of CFQ), and I learned a simple qigong exercise from him, but I cannot say that I have experience with their style. Nevertheless, I remember having a conversation with Sifu about Master Yap's decision to create a "new" style and call it CFQ. Both of us were quite surprised. To be honest, I am not clear why he decided to come up with a new name for his system.
As you may or may not know, Master Yap's philosophy differs greatly from Sifu Wong's. Whereas we once thought these two schools (CFQ and Shaolin Wahnam) to be mutually compatible, we no longer feel that to be the case. The following threads will explain the situation in depth, and should make the Shaolin Wahnam stance regarding CFQ quite clear.
What physical postures are in a Qigong set actually aren't important at all. Since Qigong practice has more to do with who you learn from and how you practice your Qigong (i.e. if you can get into a Qigong state of mind, or the quality you can do this at). For example, you could say "why does Grandmater Wong call his Qigong Shaolin Cosmos Qigong or Shaolin Eighteen Lohan Hands Qigong when his first 8 exercises are just the Eight Sections Brocade?" The answer is quite simple, because it has less to do with what specific postures you use, and more to do with how you practice Qigong. And how you practice Qigong is entirely dependent on who you learn your Qigong from. If I understand correctly, Eight Sections Brocade is typically practiced popularly in groups for health or regular life fitness qigong. Sifu Wong's students in the Shaolin Wahnam organization use their respective exercises from Eighteen Lohan Hands for training internal force for martial arts and other life enhancing purposes. I can certainly see a justification in not using the title Eight Sections Brocade.
"The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong
It's a good point, Aaron. Thanks for that. Nevertheless, the reason why Sifu calls it "Shaolin Cosmos Qigong" is simple: That's what his teacher called it.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I didn't quite exactly mean what I said in my post. I didn't know the reason for Sifu Wong's reasoning in naming his techniques. But I wanted to mention the fact that how Qigong is done is different from the kinds of forms it uses.
"The nine energies are necessary for immortality, but they are not something for any person to be allowed to come in contact with or hear about. The populus common, in their unending worry, their concern is only with riches and honors. They may well be called walking corpses." - Ge Hong
Yes, Aaron. I understood your point, and it was a good one. I thought it was pretty clear. For example, many schools have an exercise similar to Lifting The Sky, but these schools may be considerably different from Shaolin Wahnam.
Justme, Shaolin Cosmos Qigong includes the qigong set "The Eighteen Lohan Hands", among other sets and exercises. But other styles from other lineages may also include "The Eighteen Lohan Hands."
Sifu Wong did not create Shaolin Cosmos Qigong. He inherited the system, which includes many qigong exercises. However, for various reasons, he did not learn all 18 exercises in the Eighteen Lohan Hands set. I believe that he learned about 1/3 of them from his teacher.
Because he was an idealist with a passion for Shaolin history, he did a lot of research, visted many masters, searched through old classics, and sat in meditation in an effort to "recover" the other exercises from the Eighteen Lohan Hands as a tribute to Bodhidharma. The result of his efforts is the set that we have today. Based on his findings, we believe that this set is quite close to what was taught by Bodhidharma, at least in its essence.
This is quite different than creating your own style, and interestingly, emphasizes one of the main philosophical differences between Shaolin Wahnam and CFQ. Sifu Wong emphasizes tradition and paying respect to past masters -- all the way back to the founder, Bodhidharma. Master Yap seems to have a different approach, claiming to be teaching something "new" as opposed to something traditional (hence the non-traditional name).
Here's interesting fact. Even though I know all of the Eighteen Lohan Hands, I focus my practice on one of them -- Lifting The Sky. This was the first thing that Sifu learned from his teacher, Sigung Ho Fatt Nam. In many ways, I believe that this one exercise contains the essence of Shaolin Cosmos Qigong.
Yes, Aaron. I understood your point, and it was a good one. I thought it was pretty clear. For example, many schools have an exercise similar to Lifting The Sky, but these schools may be considerably different from Shaolin Wahnam.
Justme, Shaolin Cosmos Qigong includes the qigong set "The Eighteen Lohan Hands", among other sets and exercises. But other styles from other lineages may also include "The Eighteen Lohan Hands."
Sifu Wong did not create Shaolin Cosmos Qigong. He inherited the system, which includes many qigong exercises. However, for various reasons, he did not learn all 18 exercises in the Eighteen Lohan Hands set. I believe that he learned about 1/3 of them from his teacher.
Because he was an idealist with a passion for Shaolin history, he did a lot of research, visted many masters, searched through old classics, and sat in meditation in an effort to "recover" the other exercises from the Eighteen Lohan Hands as a tribute to Bodhidharma. The result of his efforts is the set that we have today. Based on his findings, we believe that this set is quite close to what was taught by Bodhidharma, at least in its essence.
This is quite different than creating your own style, and interestingly, emphasizes one of the main philosophical differences between Shaolin Wahnam and CFQ. Sifu Wong emphasizes tradition and paying respect to past masters -- all the way back to the founder, Bodhidharma. Master Yap seems to have a different approach, claiming to be teaching something "new" as opposed to something traditional (hence the non-traditional name).
Here's interesting fact. Even though I know all of the Eighteen Lohan Hands, I focus my practice on one of them -- Lifting The Sky. This was the first thing that Sifu learned from his teacher, Sigung Ho Fatt Nam. In many ways, I believe that this one exercise contains the essence of Shaolin Cosmos Qigong.
Dear Sifu Antonius, I wasn't aware that Sifu Wong didn't learn the entire Eighteen Lohan Hands set from his teacher. So can Sifu Wong practice the entire Eighteen Lohan Hands set now?(if Sifu Wong wanted to that is), I ask this humbly and intend in no way to question Sifu Wong's depth in terms of experience, knowledge and understanding.
I mean what do I know?
I'm not sure what you mean. Yes, of course Sifu can practice the entire set now. He also teaches the entire set (although rarely).
The rest of the set came from Sifu's extensive research. But of course, the key ingredient was the "essence" that he learned from Sigung Ho Fatt Nam. Since Sifu was already a master, and since he had inherited the essence from his teacher, it was quite straightforward to apply it to the exercises he gathered from his research (and meditation).
Actually, I did something similar with the set. I initially learned only a few patterns, and then practiced them to a deep level. Over the years, I acquired a few more patterns, but I mainly practiced Lifting The Sky. Later, after I was already skillful, I learned all 18, but I learned them very quickly. Some of the patterns, I literally learned in 5 minutes.
Because I was already skillful, it was easy for me to learn all 18 (including the subtle details), in a short time. For example, I just applied the skill that I already had from Lifting The Sky to new patterns, like Second Son Carrying Mountains.
I'm sure that many of you could do the same thing. Those of you who are proficient in Lifting The Sky could learn Carrying Mountains from me in 5 minutes. You would have to practice the exercise for some time on your own, but soon, by applying your skills, you would be practicing it at a high level. If you can do this now, imagine what Sifu could do to the when he was already a master.
This highlights an important point that was mentioned earlier -- don't confuse external form with chi kung. Energy and mind are more important than form. If you are skillful with energy and mind, then you can apply it to any form. For those who do not have the skills that I am discussing, this may be hard to understand. For those who do, I'm sure that it is crystal clear.
This highlights an important point that was mentioned earlier -- don't confuse external form with chi kung. Energy and mind are more important than form. If you are skillful with energy and mind, then you can apply it to any form. For those who do not have the skills that I am discussing, this may be hard to understand. For those who do, I'm sure that it is crystal clear.
"Then how could chi kung overcome diseases where the cause is unknown or when there is no cure? The question is actually incorrect. The expressions "the cause is unknown" and "there is no cure" are applicable only in the Western medical paradigm. The expressions no longer hold true in the chi kung paradigm. In the chi kung paradigm the cause is known, and there is a cure."
I'm not sure what you mean. Yes, of course Sifu can practice the entire set now. He also teaches the entire set (although rarely).
The rest of the set came from Sifu's extensive research. But of course, the key ingredient was the "essence" that he learned from Sigung Ho Fatt Nam. Since Sifu was already a master, and since he had inherited the essence from his teacher, it was quite straightforward to apply it to the exercises he gathered from his research (and meditation).
Actually, I did something similar with the set. I initially learned only a few patterns, and then practiced them to a deep level. Over the years, I acquired a few more patterns, but I mainly practiced Lifting The Sky. Later, after I was already skillful, I learned all 18, but I learned them very quickly. Some of the patterns, I literally learned in 5 minutes.
Because I was already skillful, it was easy for me to learn all 18 (including the subtle details), in a short time. For example, I just applied the skill that I already had from Lifting The Sky to new patterns, like Second Son Carrying Mountains.
I'm sure that many of you could do the same thing. Those of you who are proficient in Lifting The Sky could learn Carrying Mountains from me in 5 minutes. You would have to practice the exercise for some time on your own, but soon, by applying your skills, you would be practicing it at a high level. If you can do this now, imagine what Sifu could do to the when he was already a master.
This highlights an important point that was mentioned earlier -- don't confuse external form with chi kung. Energy and mind are more important than form. If you are skillful with energy and mind, then you can apply it to any form. For those who do not have the skills that I am discussing, this may be hard to understand. For those who do, I'm sure that it is crystal clear.
Best,
Dear Sifu Antonius, I was just a little confused. You cleared up my misunderstanding. Even though I have a few of Sifu Wong's books I am still uninitiated and have no real experience of Chi Kung, so you must understand I am still prone to sounding(and being) a bit confused. Chi Kung is a very deep art and I am a relatively new to it.
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